Anybody have any experience with 200 gr hornady spire point in 35 Remington? I’ve got an old pump Remington and was wondering if that bullet would work at those velocities. It shoots the 200 RN well but I’m about out and have a box of the spire points on the bench. Thx.

I've shot them in Remington Model 8/81s with no problem. I have only shot 3 deer with them but the deer died quickly. I did not see any significant difference between the round nose and the spire points but we are also talking about a 35 caliber hole which is kind of large to begin with.

If your "old pump Remington" is a model 14 or 141 you would want to stay with RN:
https://www.remingtonsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26180

Why? The Remington 150's always worked well in the 14/141's.

That's why the mag is spiraled..

Yes indeed. Those rifles aren't limited to round nose bullets.

Interesting on the old pump remingtons spiral. Now I want one!


Doe the ponted 35 cal bullet have a tougher wall because its designed to expand at higher velocities than the round nose used in 35 Rem?
do the bullet manufacturers give guidance on this?

I'm curios because I have a rem 600 in 35 rem, but found it like hornady leverevolution ammo so much that I haven't thought of reloading for it. Plus my reloading gear is in boxes.

HD

I always thought the spiral magazines on the 14/141 were for pointed bullets.
I was just sharing info I saw posted on the Remington Society web site that strongly suggests RN to avoid feeding problems.
If you have found bullets other than RN working well in your 14/141, that is great!
Good hunting to you all.

I’ve used the Hornady 200 grain FTX in my Remington 141 - they shoot wonderfully and work well on whitetails.

PennDog

My choice as well....

Has anyone tried non-lead projectiles in their 35 Remington 141 ?

I have not....but...the lightest Barnes I see in .358 cal is 200gr. I think that is going to be long enough to rob a bunch of powder space...not to mention the 35 Rem won't get it going fast enough for optimal performance.

If someone made a 180gr...maybe?

I have used the Maker 200 gr Lever-REX in my Marlin. Very accurate and lethal on one hog so far. It is designed specifically for the 35 Rem.

https://makerbullets.com/products.php?cat=3&scri=52

Will have to check out those Maker bullets. Look interesting.

My buddy shoots the Barnes in his CVA Hunter and Rem 760.
Popped a 154" net a couple yrs back w the Barnes he did.
Took 3 steps.

I shoot the Hornady factory ammo in my 760.

My son shot a Rm 7600 chambered in 280 Rem. 140 gr SGKs without an issue and it was stupid accurate. No feeding problems.

The OP hasn't posted what model he has.

I used to use the .358" 200 gr. Hornady SP in a 350 Rem Mag on black bear until two back to back poor experiences due to poor penetration. I would expect this bullet to work fine on deer at either 350 Rem Mag or 35 Rem velocities.

the 14/141's are more picky about COL than they are about bullet type. i have shot the FTX's in my pumps just to see if they work ok in case i need to but i use the 200 CL's exclusively. i haven't found a better round in the pumps than the 200 CL and i own better than a dozen of them. my son uses the FTX's in his 336.

I shoot the 200gr. Hornady Inter-lok RN in my .35 Whelen, very accurate and penetration and expansion are excellent. It is my go to bullet in the Whelen for whitetail hunting.

I like 200 gr RN Sierra as fast as a 35 Rem can push it with IMR 3031

I think that their advocacy for round nose bullets had to do with potential COAL problems when cycling ammunition through the magazine.

I don't know that a pointed bullet of weight equal to a comparable round nose bullet would have any practical advantage at typical .35 REM velocities and within the typical performance parameters.

I had a model 14 that functioned perfectly, with leverevolution 200 gr. Did very well with pointed 150gr, and 200 core lokt, as well. You're probably right about no practical advantage to a pointy bullet, at those velocities. I'm pretty sure the original load was a 200gr round nose. I think it was developed for the model 8. Round nose bullets were in vogue, especially for woods hunting.

There is the Speers 180 HCFP and also Barnes 180 TTSX but they wouldn’t work in a tube fed gun.

Got an old red white n green box of 200gr Coreloks.
They're on a shelf.
Pick up my Model 14 this week.
Will try the Leverevolution stuff. May hit the club this weekend.
I can't see the rear sight for chit.

Wonder if a longer base version of skinner peep in the rear dovetail would solve the prob.
Might have to mod something.

I use the same bullet and powder. My Marlin 336-A would not shoot the Rem 200 gr core-lokt worth a darn.

Try Speer 170gr over IMR 3031

We're talking 35 Rem not 30-30.

https://www.ebay.com/c/1710232993

Have this on my 141, a big improvement over the factory rear sight. I like that it is correct for the gun & it folds down for when you want to case it or otherwise want it out if the way.

Why won't they work in a 141?

It has a spiraled tube specifically designed to keep the primers and bullet tips separated.

I am talking 35 Rem must have 400 rounds loaded up maybe more for my 336D, #502 of 1500 made. I have shot deer, blk bear, hogs with that load bang flop but said

Maybe you meant 180?

Picked up the 14 today.
Proly bowhunt tomorrow, maybe take it to the range Sunday.
Had about 2 hrs in cleaning it up. Looks decent enough for me.
Not gonna restore it, like the aging on it. Doe blaster for next yr (since I sold my Contender .35 rem Super14 bbl).
Told my bud I now have two .35 rem rifles like him.
He goes................"I have three".

Well chit, guess I should look for a Grice synth carbine

I load the Speer 180 grain HotCore Flatpoints in 356 for my Marlin 336 and they work fine through that tubular magazine.

Yes 180s typo

Still intend on buying a JM Marlin. Be Well, Rustyzipper.

not great but not bad

Considering how old your Remington Model 14 is, it looks to still be in its original configuration and in excellent condition. We should all be in such good shape at that age.

I have a 141 in 35 REM that somewhere along the line was d&t for a receiver mounted peep sight. SN 302xx. I like the 22" barrel on the 14s better than the 24" barrel on the 141s. I wonder why Remington made that change in what is primarily a woods rifle.

I haven't harvested any game with the 35 caliber FTX, but the 30 cal 160 FTX has worked admirable on even elk in the 300 savage!

I have used the 35 FTX in the 35 R.E.M. And 356 Winchester. But not on game.......yet.

Terminal ballistics research on the internet most likely has.

Yup, no holes or studs. Had some finish issues on buttstock, bit of moisture.
Think they ran a kerosene heater and didn't pay attention.
Metal had the start of rust but came right off.
Stock had a couple white milky spots.
They too came off. But some pores now open.
Needs some tru oil to even it out.

I have 2 hours in cleaning it up. Bore is perfect.
Got a box of red/green/white Rem Coreloks too.

I have taken 4 deer now w .35 rem rifles.
First was a doe at 45 ish yards, down in creek bottom, stand in ridge, hit on shoulder.
Wanted to see what it'd do. Angled towards me.
Was FTX handload (shortened per PCR spec before regs changed).
She ran 50 yards and into a big fallen tree. Dead.
Bullet got a lung and ground a path through liver. Did not go past diaphragm and barely chinked offside rib.
Found nothing but fragments. She dressed 122# IIRC

Shot a 175# 9 pointer broadside at 75 the next yr, same load. Back of onside shoulder, front of off shoulder, no bullet recovery.
Ran 75 yards, looked to die mid stride. Snuck up and shot him (no downward angle). Hit was half way up. Exactly where aimed.

Both of those, a 16" Contender carbine.

Next was a 155# 8 pointer on the run going away at 40 yards. I tried to sneak one through the brush into the back of his neck just up from back.
Had a slot he was going into, Dunno if I shot low or he bounced, but it hit spine just fwd of hips. Was in a stand. He dropped and got his front up.
I put the next beside his heart, in and out.
The first bullet I didn't look for, but butcher guy said it mangled one loin for quite a ways.
That was 200gr FTX in factory load.

This yrs buck was 25 yards, from stand, angling towards me. Shot neck shoulder junction and he crumpled. Bullet did not make it to other side. Didn't punch diaphragm either.
Dunno what it did, one lung was trashed. I didn't even dig for the bullet, gave one look and called it done (my buddy shot an 8 pt same time, we were gonna be busy).

My 760 likes the factory ammo (last two deer shot with it).
Have not tried Rem core loks. Yet,


Am 4 for 4 with the FTX but twice bullets have come apart. Maybe they should inside of 50 yards and hitting bone.
Am no expert but thought they should maybe hold together a little better.
Maybe not on the buck that ran, but on the doe w just shoulder hit.


BTW, the model 14 is a 101XXX so think that makes it a '27

Bud has a Skinner I can swap in the rear dovetail and knock out the front for a taller one, might be usable w my eyes.
As is, no go.

I'd have bought it if D&T, but for less money

I have some leftover Hornady Leverevolution from when I had a '35 EG.
Did the Lightfoot mount and it worked great, but the gun just felt awkward.
I'd get another and go w a high comb stock, factory D&T and maybe lighter bbl.
Think that an "F" model?
Mine had a lot of finish wear. Should have said screw it and cut bbl, change stock and D&T.
It shot decent enough, trigger not bad.
Did find an F in .308 w mag missing, and the trigger was atrocious.
Good deal but w that trigger, said screw it.

Do think a 20 ga sized SXS in .35 rem would be a cool woods rifle.
Silly maybe, but a double, on such a comfy round..........it'd be quite the gentleman.

Double rifles have to be regulated to shoot worth a damn and that costs a lot more than it is worth to most people.

I've long wondered why Savage didn't chamber the Model 99 for the 35 REM once they adapted the action for the rimless 250-3000 in 1915.

It seems as though the 32 WS and 35 REM would both have been good fits in both the pre- and post-WW1 line up of cartridges that Savage did chamber.

Pre-WW1: 22HP, 25-35, 250-3000, 30-30, 303 SAV, 32-40, and 38-55.

Post-WW1: 22HP, 250-3000, 30-30, 303 SAV, and 300 SAV.

The Baikal .30-06 double tempted me a couple of times.
Was under a K by a bit back then.

There are inserts that adjust, seen em advertised overseas.........but they were not cheap.
Not sure the brand. Cost was around a grand or so (each). Proly for converting shotguns IIRC.

Can't find on the web, just looked for a bit.

IIRC the rifled 20ga SxS "professional" RBL was around 3500.

I had an IZH-94 combination gun, 12 over 6.5x55 and never could get the rifle barrel to shoot worth a damn even though it could, in theory, be regulated.

I sold it to a friend who just knew that he could make it shoot, but he shot it a lot and never got it to shoot worth a damn and the last I knew he was thinking of dumping it on Cabela's sometime when they had something on sale that moved him.

Bearrr264 had a couple of the Japanese Winchester 101 Grand European combination guns in 12 over 7x57 and 12 over 9.3x72R that couldn't be regulated. Neither of them shot worth a damn either and they cost well over $1K when he bought them. Before he died, he offered them to me for what he had into them, but that was before I sold my first business and we were eating hot dogs and ramen noodles so that we could keep everybody we owed money to paid every month.

I remember seeing a couple of Browning Continentals

My first deer rifle was a 336 Marlin 35Rem,i have a model 81Rem in 35Rem I shoot a lot, I had a 141 pump that I let get a way from me !!!

No experience, only with the big 220gr Speers in a Marlin lever, they are indeed plows, loaded them because some really heavy animals were potentially on the list for that years hunting, when they are shot up i'll go to the 180gr Speers, have no doubt they'll knock the crap out of deer and pigs.

My 35 Remington experience is exactly like gunner500's above.

I had a Marlin 336 rifle with a 24" barrel and a pistol grip, with a 1/2 magazine. I mounted a Williams 5D peep sight on it. It was very accurate and I killed a deer, and hunted elk with it one time, but I didn't get an elk with it. My buddy borrowed it and killed a nice black bear on the same elk hunt. I shot Remington 200 grain round nose a lot,. but never killed any game with them. The only bullet I ever shot deer with, and what I had in Idaho for the elk hunt was loaded with 220 grain Speers. They were excellent on the deer and always exited leaving holes about the size of silver dollars. I expect at the close range I was hunting elk in the Selway, they would have been a really good elk round too. In that area I hunted for several years and I never once got a shot at any elk that was over 60 yards with most of them being at 35 and less. About 6 feet.

I am currently looking for another 35 Remington. I have always liked the old round. The 3 rifles I would consider are a Remington 14 or 141, or a copy of the old marlin, but if I go for a marlin I want a rifle, not a carbine. Maybe if I get one I will not be so foolish as to let someone buy it from me again. If I get another I will again try to kill some elk with it, God willing.

We are running the 180 speer HCFP in my daughter 357 maximum at 2325 FPS and we have yet to catch a bullet. All pass throughs even a sharp quartering away that traveled about 30” of deer and exited the center of the neck with a hole I could stick my thumb in. I think it’s a great bullet in 35 cal.

I still think a Ruger 1A w 22" bbl in .35 rem would be great

Gave a 1928 Remington Model 14 in 35, to the boy a couple of years ago. Darn cool rifle. He used it on a hog hunt . Worked very well. Darn nice handling for a running hog.

i've got a dozen or 15 35's in pumps and levers. one that i don't have is a bolt. i really wish they would bring the model 7 carbine out in one. i should have bought the model 600 i saw years ago for 500 bucks. it was nice but i thought it was pricey. which considering my financial situation at the time, it was.

There was a Model 7 KS in .35 rem way back IIRC.
Custom shop laminated mannlicher too.
Might have been a reg stainless synth also.

there was indeed a 7KS in .35rem; stumbled onto the one in pic below as an accidental find at a local gun show. It was unfired when found, but i fixed that pretty quickly...added a 1.5-5x with German #4, and it was worked well, and quite accurate.

have taken a good assortment of deer & a few hogs with the .35rem in 14" contenders, 16" & 21" contender carbines, and a Marlin lever....very effective round. Would like to eventually add Rem 760 to that lineup if a nice one presents itself.

Saw a 600 in 35 on Gunbroker. Pricey is right! I think it was around 2600! Ouch!

I never got to use the big 220's on a cow elk or Nilgai bull, but have absolutely no doubt they'd put either down hard and fast inside 200 yards, I need to go back to that big white oak and dig the 220 that blasted through that big bedded 8pt's shoulders and have a look at it.

hmmm.... might be time to sell the one i inherited.

I have a belief that the 336 rifle in 35 Remington could get pretty close to the ballistics of a savage 99 in 358 win.

I recently acquired a 336 ER and a 32 WS 336 rifle. So szhin if you pm me an email, I could send you photos of the 35 rem 336 rifle I own. As I would consider selling it.

Don't know where the 99 358's rank, but with Leverevolution powder in my Marlin, 220gr Speers run 2175 fps, a real hellbender of a load in an old lever rifle.

May I ask where you started the lever lotion powder at in the 35 Remington?

Thanks

I wouldnt mind owning a Remington Model Seven in 35 REM, but not at the prices they have on GUNBROKER.

Yessir, I started at 40 grains in my Marlin.

Thanks!

You're welcome Neighbor.