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WOW! That is some serious "Junk" up there. Dandy. Looks like the guy in the jump suit might have parked his heliocopter somewhere to get that monster out of that wilderness.

POP do you have any proof of that. I have seen this in an email without the story and keep wonderng about photoshop etc. Not trying flame you, I am just suspect of things I read on emails and internet. (Penis never did get any bigger. ;-))

That is an amazing elk. I would love to hear more about it.

No man I sure do not. But even if the #'s do not much up it is good food for dreams ...no? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

uhhh, looks like his left side doesnt even come close to matching the right side, as far as width.... even if you straightened the head out... 721

I swear thats the one I missed last year! I heard it came from Utah also on another thread. Let me know if you hear anymore! I hunt the Selway every year and my wall tent is up there now and I need to find this guys dad!

Same here on the emails - 4 so far, all purporting the bull to come from very close to my home in Idaho. On their Trophy Watch page Boone & Crockett say they are "reserving judgement'"

B&C News - Trophy Watch

Well fellas I do not know what to say except I wish it were me in that picture.

Man oh man!

that is a fuggin monster........Blake

One report is that he came from Utah.

http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/forums/album_page.php?pic_id=1971


I hunt the Selway every year and I've seen some big boys but not like this. My wall tent is pitched up there currently but we've been rifle hunting. The rifle season opened Sept 15th and there is not bow season in the Selway unit unless you hunt bow during the rifle season. I think we'll find out this isn't a selway Bull.

Moose. BMT

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If it is from Idaho my crowd is speculating it could be one of those escaped Rummell bulls Gov. Risch made all the recent news about....

Not that I took a long hard peak, but the antlers just don't look right on that animal, but in the same breath, it doesn't look photo shopped at a glance either.

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If it is from Idaho my crowd is speculating it could be one of those escaped Rummell bulls Gov. Risch made all the recent news about....

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rummel had a 500+ bull or more in the escaped bunch of 20 bulls that were all over 400. I can't imagine someone bow hunting in the Selway where its rifle season.

The lines on his left side look awful straight.... hell, I dont know!! 721

I'm betting on Utah or one of the Rummell tame bulls. Rummel had some close to 500+ and they are starting to show up. Friend of mine shot a 450 last week with a bow and the stupid thing came walking up to him like it as lonely or something! The fun part of the hunt is that he got to keep hunting and didn't have to use his tag!

I'm betting its either a Utah bull or one of Rummell' s tame bulls. He has some around the 500+ class and they were cross bread with Euopean Red stags for huge antlers. Buddy of mine shot a 400+ bull last week out of this bunch and the stupid thing walked up to him like he wasn't supposed to feed it or something!

If it's in the Bitterroot/Selway area of Montana Bow Hunting is going on right now.

if it was in the selway wilderness Idaho thats rifle season now

I enlarged it as much as possible. The head seems to have a problem. The woolly forehead hair appears to be cloned and the antlers don't match the head. Notice that the wool comes right down to the right eye but ends well above the left eye. A couple of the points don't seem to be normal, either. I strongly suspect that this elk didn't grow those antlers and those antlers didn't grow all of those points. There are some shadows that don't add up, too. My call is Photoshop.

Even if it's real, I HATE it when someone plays games with a wide angle lense like that to distort a photo and make the foreground appear 10 times larger than it is.

Dick

.. . . . .and even if not manipulated, it looks more like a Roosevelt elk than a Rocky Mountain, as does the background, like a rain forest area.

Great bull reguardless........Looks like Selway country to me.

........and all the points are perfect with no breaks, scratches or anything. Perfect color from tip to tip. Yup, photoshop or "pet" elk, but still fabulous! Flinch

hmmmm.... now that you mention it, that rack does sorta remind me of John Madden's Thanksgiving turkey. You know, the one with the extra drumsticks.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Take a close look at the outline of the guy kneeling directly behind the bull. The photo has been doctored in some fashion...

C

Don't know about the photo shopping, I'm no expert on that. However, I will say it looks pretty "clean" for a free range bull.

BOWHUNR

Saw that bull on the Nosler forum.Awesome just AWESOME.

After taking a closer look, I don't believe photo is legit. I'm guessing a pen raised bull and rack "photo shoped" to a hunting photo.

Idaho produces some good bulls, but nothing of that class.

Hope I'm wrong..........

My guess is that elk is a pen raised. And that doesn't look like the Selway to me...

The only thing that will produce a real rack like that is genetic manipulation. If that thing is real, it's on a game farm.

Dick

Note the area I've circled. If you look close, there's a perfectly vertical straight line there where at least 2 points have been added.

Dick

Photo shop if you ask me, the hunters (?) look too rested and to clean. and there is no blood.

Looks like a New Zealand Stag too me!!

Mike

The lack of blood doesn't bother me. It was supposedly a bow kill. A quartering shot on the far side wouldn't leave any blood visible from the front.

Here's something else to consider. A rack like that would have to weight over 50lb. What's holding it up?

Dick

r.o.t.r.

Very good point. It looks alot like the Wapiti/Red Deer crosses in New Zealand. In fact, with that crown on the left horn I'd almost bet my left nut that you nailed it!!

BOWHUNR

Not in New Zealand wilderness with conifer/pine whatever they are in the background.

Its not in New Zealand wilderness - conifer/pines in foreground and background.

I've seen this picture before and I keep thinking the animal looks like it had a bath and was brushed for the picture.

Makes me think "game farm".

I was watching a mature bull tonight at RMNP. All antler tips were white because of tree rubbing. This one, no white tips at all. I'd bet Photoshop, unless all of his testosterone went into antlers and none was left for bull behavior...
-P

Dang technology. What happened to the day when you could trust someone and not have to be skeptical about a picture? It is a greta elk but as many state, seems to good to be true. Why, you ask?? Because if that was me, you would see a big ol' Sh-- eatin' grin on my face and there would be no doubt...!!

From the Boone and Crockett website...

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Email Overload September 29, 2006This photo is circulating the internet at World's Record pace. The text accompanying the photo states that it was taken in the Selway Wilderness in Idaho with a bow and scores somewhere between 530-575.
B&C is reserving judgment on this bull. If this bull were, in fact, taken as a natural, free-ranging, wild, native elk from the Selway region of Idaho, it would be approximately 130-150 inches bigger than any elk ever recorded from that region.

UPDATE: Some sources (not yet verified) are pointing to a canned hunting facility in Quebec as the location of this bull, rather than a free-ranging elk in Idaho.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/...CA-A2E3462D4D22


DT

Hmmm . . . .

I still think that "moose parts" were used the making of this Elk.

I cannot say why I think that. I guess the beams look "moosey" to me.

Anyway, something looks "wrong".

BMT

It appears that way at first glance, but I found these other pics of the same bull on another site.







If you compare the pictures, the rack looks legit. Either that or the guy's a professional photoshopper...

What doesn't appear legit, is that it was "taken in the Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness". While I'm sure the "hunter" would want you to think so, and would want you to believe he stalked it for days, called it in to 15 yards, and then had to pack it out over 10 miles of rugged terrain, I'd bet my last dollar this is nothing more than a real neat lookin' farm animal. Canned hunt. Geez, that elk is so clean he looks like a zoo animal or someone's pet. Probably took the collar and chain off for the photo opportunity, along with the obviously missing ear tag.

How anyone can be proud of posing with something like that is beyond me. About as challenging as going out and shooting the neighbors friggin' cow. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I bet that's a high-fence bull...

It aint even the same guy as in the first picture...

The B&C website is saying that they have unsubstantiated reports that it came from a canned hunt in Canada.

Looks fake to me.

Does this guy look familiar?

Is that a big bowl of steroid filled elk chow i see on the ground in front of him??

OK, now say where that picture was taken and the circumstances, game farm?

I got an Email from a guy I've become friends with over the years. He sent me the picture of this Elk in question about a week or two ago.

He had me going for a while, almost believing it was an actual Montana elk............then he sent me this link to see the outfitter that was involved

Here is your answer to the origin of the photo

http://www.pinemountainoutfitters.com/2005.php

Check out the prices, for 15-60K you can shoot one like this too!

I got those pictures emailed to me from member of Nosler Reloading's site. His email was from someone who had bought semen from this bull (Samuari) for his stock. The animal was from a Canadian ranch. I do not know which Province or town...

It could be the outfit JJ linked to. Sure looks like it.

The "hunter" must be real proud of his "accomplishment".

I wonder if he had a chance to actually pet it before he shot. Feed it a few carrots......brush him down....put a saddle on and ride him maybe?

Pathetic.

Ok, I apologize for my posts about it being photoshopped. I was wrong. I wish I was right, though. I'd rather see it photoshopped than someone's dead pet steer.

Dick

I COMPLETELY agree! It's a farm animal.
The live action feeding shots are the proof. How many bull Elk do you think will let you get close enought to catch a picture while they drink? Shiitt...
The Bull is a fence kill...and the shooter is a bitch.

My guess is that it was darted. Not one drop of visible blood.

if it was darted how did they come up with the rack attchd to the bare skull?

I don't believe the rack with the skull is the same rack as the one in the (obviously) doctored kill photos. I think I have seen the rack and skull in a previous story. If it's the one I'm thinking of, this rack is an old, old rack from centuries before. It was pulled out of the banks of the Missouri River in the state of Missouri recently. If that's true, it is probably the largest Manitoban Elk rack known.

Casey

Boone and Crockett update, as we all thought.
http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/troph...CA-A2E3462D4D22

Guided by Broke Back Mountain Outfitter's... grin.

at least they took the food bowl out of the shot before they posed

Well, it is... easier to shot the pet elk while it's eating and not looking right at you.

I would have reservations about eating the meat. With all those steroids in the meat, I would rather not sprout a rack like that myself.
-P

A picture of that bull was in the Spokesman Review (Spokane, Wa) this morning. The outdoor editor found out that the bull was farm raised someplace in Canada, IIRC, Manatoba. The farmer said the fee could have been in the five figures for a bull this size.

Hunters look to clean and composed - Elk looks to clean and composed - what about the rut? I agree that is is farmed raised and slaughtered.

The elk was apparently killed on a shooting ranch in Quebec.Rumour has it the fee was close to six figures.

[bleep]'s...

Not just [bleep], but f'n ULTRA [bleep]. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Steve

I second both those motions...

Casey

+++prolly end up in SCI's "estate" book <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Good thing the hunter was wearing his camo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />!

Bet he had is scent lok and all the other Ultra-bitchin' state of the art scent control and chit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />!

A friend of a friend hunts this way and I just can't fathom it. Of course, I don't make that kind of money, so I guess it's easy for us regular guys to say we wouldn't, even if we did. Of course, even if I did, I wouldn't do it (grin)!

Follow that??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

other Ultra-bitchin' state of the art scent control and chit - MS
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Dude, thats like totally beautiful...............


I wonder whats next in the "hunting" world. I'm thinking someong is working on an invisable suit. Just zip that baby on and animals will not smell you but never even see you!!!

wow - gotta have one. You say its only $975.............. for the jacket. Better have two in case I can't find one.

That elk was from a high fence pen in Quebec. Not free range, so not a real hunt.

http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/troph...CA-A2E3462D4D22

In a hunting situation like this, camo and cover scent are essential. Pen raised bulls are known to be EXTREMELY dangerous. They've been known to walk right up to a careless hunter and slobber all over him while checking his pockets for apples. That gets sticky saliva all over your $300 Gucci camos. It's a horrible sight to see.

Dick

Great photography,you can't see the fences or the feed pail in the kill picture. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I love when the resident photoshop experts chime in.

October 17, 2006
You can fool hunters' hopes and expectations some of the time, but not their sense of reality for long. So it is that the "world's biggest elk" turns out to be something like the world's biggest prairie dog.
A carnival act. A freak with a secret. Or an outright lie. Just in time for Halloween.

In cheap literature, readers employ something called "the willing suspension of disbelief" to overlook implausible plots and characters in the interest of entertainment.

Antler worshippers found themselves in a similar swoon of denial over a giant 12-by-9 bull elk whose photo has been circulating on the Internet. But their enchantment was short-lived.

A caption accompanying the photo claims the bull was killed in Idaho's Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness during bowhunting season. The beast's antlers were said to have an outside spread of 79 inches and a green score of 575.

That would be more than 130 points bigger than Boone and Crockett's fair-chase world record and Pope & Young's archery world record. It would be 110 points bigger than the biggest antlers ever found, on a dead bull elk at Upper Arrow Lake, British Columbia.

"This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon," the anonymous caption claims.

It was the old shell game, played not so skillfully by someone trying to cover up tawdry reality and gain acceptance in official hunting records. The bull was raised as livestock and slaughtered by a paying consumer, not a hunter. And it did not originate in Idaho.

Credit Rich Landers, outdoors editor for The Spokesman-Review in Spokane, Wash., for ferreting out the truth behind the lies and the lies behind the truth. After some sleuthing, Landers found a California man paid to shoot the animal at a 1,000-acre, fenced, commercial "shooter-bull" operation in Quebec.

Landers twigged onto the ruse and followed its foul scent after Idaho biologists and a Boone and Crockett trophy expert told him the Selway could produce no such animal. The biggest rack ever packed out of that Idaho wilderness scored 150 points less.

The manager of the operation in Quebec told Landers shooters negotiate prices into the high five-digits to harvest trophy bulls there. He confirmed the bull's measurements and said it was 10 years old.

And it wasn't an elk of the Rocky Mountain subspecies. It was a Manitoba-strain elk, raised with European red deer.

As for "big," that would be relative to one's antler-induced hypnotic trance. The manager said the bull weighed 595 pounds. That would be something like a 110-pound man.

The incident, and its likenesses across North America, is a slur on hunting. Commercial shooting is capable of delivering generous truckloads of antihunting fodder into the hands of extremist groups, as sure as if the shooters and livestock providers were anti-hunters themselves.

Fortunately, most hunters blench at the notion of attaching the term "hunting" to the shooting of captive, artificially raised animals for profit, although the general public might not know that.

At least the farce never will be recorded in official trophy records. The Boone and Crockett Club and Pope & Young Club have fair-chase rules that disqualify trophies taken from anything but wild, free-ranging animals.

In the words of founder Saxton Pope, which Pope & Young flies as an ethical banner: "The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport."

Similarly, Boone and Crockett spells out its rules: "Fair Chase, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals."

What we have here, instead, is a farm-grown, state fair blue ribbon- winning pumpkin. And someone buying that pumpkin to display on his mantle to prove what a great farmer he could be, if he knew anything about farming.

It's a Halloween story, swarming with bad smells and flies. And demons posing as hunters.

dentrye@RockyMountainNews.com

October 17, 2006
You can fool hunters' hopes and expectations some of the time, but not their sense of reality for long. So it is that the "world's biggest elk" turns out to be something like the world's biggest prairie dog.
A carnival act. A freak with a secret. Or an outright lie. Just in time for Halloween.

In cheap literature, readers employ something called "the willing suspension of disbelief" to overlook implausible plots and characters in the interest of entertainment.

Antler worshippers found themselves in a similar swoon of denial over a giant 12-by-9 bull elk whose photo has been circulating on the Internet. But their enchantment was short-lived.

A caption accompanying the photo claims the bull was killed in Idaho's Selway-Bitterroot Wilderness during bowhunting season. The beast's antlers were said to have an outside spread of 79 inches and a green score of 575.

That would be more than 130 points bigger than Boone and Crockett's fair-chase world record and Pope & Young's archery world record. It would be 110 points bigger than the biggest antlers ever found, on a dead bull elk at Upper Arrow Lake, British Columbia.

"This is the biggest bull ever taken with any weapon," the anonymous caption claims.

It was the old shell game, played not so skillfully by someone trying to cover up tawdry reality and gain acceptance in official hunting records. The bull was raised as livestock and slaughtered by a paying consumer, not a hunter. And it did not originate in Idaho.

Credit Rich Landers, outdoors editor for The Spokesman-Review in Spokane, Wash., for ferreting out the truth behind the lies and the lies behind the truth. After some sleuthing, Landers found a California man paid to shoot the animal at a 1,000-acre, fenced, commercial "shooter-bull" operation in Quebec.

Landers twigged onto the ruse and followed its foul scent after Idaho biologists and a Boone and Crockett trophy expert told him the Selway could produce no such animal. The biggest rack ever packed out of that Idaho wilderness scored 150 points less.

The manager of the operation in Quebec told Landers shooters negotiate prices into the high five-digits to harvest trophy bulls there. He confirmed the bull's measurements and said it was 10 years old.

And it wasn't an elk of the Rocky Mountain subspecies. It was a Manitoba-strain elk, raised with European red deer.

As for "big," that would be relative to one's antler-induced hypnotic trance. The manager said the bull weighed 595 pounds. That would be something like a 110-pound man.

The incident, and its likenesses across North America, is a slur on hunting. Commercial shooting is capable of delivering generous truckloads of antihunting fodder into the hands of extremist groups, as sure as if the shooters and livestock providers were anti-hunters themselves.

Fortunately, most hunters blench at the notion of attaching the term "hunting" to the shooting of captive, artificially raised animals for profit, although the general public might not know that.

At least the farce never will be recorded in official trophy records. The Boone and Crockett Club and Pope & Young Club have fair-chase rules that disqualify trophies taken from anything but wild, free-ranging animals.

In the words of founder Saxton Pope, which Pope & Young flies as an ethical banner: "The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport."

Similarly, Boone and Crockett spells out its rules: "Fair Chase, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals."

What we have here, instead, is a farm-grown, state fair blue ribbon- winning pumpkin. And someone buying that pumpkin to display on his mantle to prove what a great farmer he could be, if he knew anything about farming.

It's a Halloween story, swarming with bad smells and flies. And demons posing as hunters.

dentrye@RockyMountainNews.com

Most newspaper outdoor writers fill their columns with "fluff"--in my opinion. But Ed Dentry of the Rocky Mountian News is not afraid to criticize those who deserve it in the world of wildlife and hunting. He is one of the best newpaper outdoor columnists currently writing--in my semi humble opinion.

Casey

here is a link to the game farm's website. game farm

I've seen many just as big or bigger, but they usually stand behind an 8 foot fence and are hand fed like cattle. Thousands like that here in Northern Alberta, but they are domesticated and bred for horns to harvest the velvet/keratin supposedly herbal cure BS. Asian market. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />