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DPMS was in the Remington Portfolio.
Anyone know what happened...
We're they sold, retained, shut down..
PSA bought them.
Dpms and Bushmaster both swallowed by Remington and buried by Cerebus who is /was headed by some marriage connection of jo biden. You figure it out for yourself looked completely planned to me.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
PSA bought them.

Thanks...
Interesting PSA doesn't have an announcement or any info on their site.

I did find the announcement of the auction results though.

Any opinions on if it is an upgrade/downgrade?
Are they going to keep the DPMS name, or roll them into PSA?
Posted By: RufusG Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/02/21
One vote for PSADPMS just on principle.
The DPMS name has been dead for a while, well before the recent doings. Its not a huge loss, they didn't really do anything well, other than be needlessly weird.
Hmm.
Just read an Feb, 2020 American Rifleman article on the GII..
We're they reviewing old rifles just to pump the soon to crash Remington?

Seems like the IP would have some value...

Hmm pewPew article (name your own qualifier) says:
Roundhill got all firearms except Marlin..
So DPMS was no longer Firearms as of last July?

Pp gone on to say DPMS was stripped and sold before the bankruptcy..

Seems to be about the time Sig Sauer opened their Huntsville operation.
Maybe they took over the plant?

And PSA just got the name?
Originally Posted by liliysdad
The DPMS name has been dead for a while, well before the recent doings. Its not a huge loss, they didn't really do anything well, other than be needlessly weird.


Don't know about that after the last panic AR prices hit the floor and I picked up a new in the box DPMS Oracle model for $450 .It works perfectly and the gas block was picatinnied on the top for my laser and the flattop picatinny hosts a red dot sight it is my low- no-any light shtf rifle. Nothing that costs more is anymore reliable. Mb
I never understood why Remington seemed to favor DPMS over Bushmaster. It always seemed to me that Bushmaster had much better name recognition.
With 168gr Nosler ammo, my DPMS GII Hunter in .308 is the most accurate semiauto I ever have shot.

The American Rifleman reviewer agrees, albeit with Black Hills ammo:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/2/6/review-dpms-gii-ar-308 (“The GII Hunter I tested blew me away with its accuracy. I was primarily testing that rifle for our sister publication American Hunter and didn't even plan to include it in this article, but the performance is too impressive to ignore. American Hunter uses three, three-shots groups with three different loads as a test protocol. With the Black Hills 168-gr. load, the first group measured 0.30". That was the best, but the average of three groups was 0.47". The average for all nine groups was 0.80". From an out-of-the-box AR-L shooting factory ammunition, that is very impressive accuracy.”).

That article also explains the cleverness and innovativeness of their redesign of the AR10 to make it better and about a pound lighter.
MH,
That's the article I read earlier. Thanks for confirmation..what barrel does yours have?

I read elsewhere that last September Vista took delivery of tooling equipment, fixtures, etc from Huntsville. But I assume the DPMS stuff was already gone since that sale closed before the Ch11?
Or not...
DPMS was reported sold in July but the Ch11 was listed effective on May 15...

Edit:
Guns.com May 2017 article:
8 businesses moved to Huntsville:
Advanced Armament,
Montana Rifleman,
Tapco,
LAR,
Para-Ordinance,
DPMS,
Postmaster,
Remington RM380s, R51a, & 1911s, and
R&D.
+ whatever was done at the Mayfield, KY plant that was closed in 2016. (Bolt action 783s, 597s, Shotguns, among other things)

I wonder what happened to the model museum, did it go with R&D?

So I guess the manufacturing of these all went to Vista Roundhill but not the names?
Vista just bought the ammo business, which I don't believe had any equipment at Huntsville.
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
MH,
That's the article I read earlier. Thanks for confirmation..what barrel does yours have?


It has a fairly heavy 20" bbl. It's never jammed once. Shoots certain ammo like a custom bolt gun. Weighed 7.5 lbs when it was naked.

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It's my go-to Mid-Atlantic deer rifle.

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They're sadly hard to find now. An FBI friend of mine has been trying to find one for a long time after he saw what it does.
Nice looking (both photos!)

I wonder if there are uppers still floating around complete or otherwise....
That is the billet receiver with a pinned steel feed ramp.
That should pose no issue installing a barrel I guess..
Enjoy!
Originally Posted by UPhiker
I never understood why Remington seemed to favor DPMS over Bushmaster. It always seemed to me that Bushmaster had much better name recognition.


Last I knew all Remington R-15's were Bushmasters but the R-25 line was DPMS well that's what I heard anyway. Mb
Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob


Last I knew all Remington R-15's were Bushmasters but the R-25 line was DPMS well that's what I heard anyway. Mb


I think that's correct. A friend of mine has an R-25, and I think it totally is DPMS IIRC.
Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Originally Posted by liliysdad
The DPMS name has been dead for a while, well before the recent doings. Its not a huge loss, they didn't really do anything well, other than be needlessly weird.


Don't know about that after the last panic AR prices hit the floor and I picked up a new in the box DPMS Oracle model for $450 .It works perfectly and the gas block was picatinnied on the top for my laser and the flattop picatinny hosts a red dot sight it is my low- no-any light shtf rifle. Nothing that costs more is anymore reliable. Mb


Nephew picked up one also when they were $450
It’s been reliable and he’s been very pleased with it.
Originally Posted by UPhiker
I never understood why Remington seemed to favor DPMS over Bushmaster. It always seemed to me that Bushmaster had much better name recognition.
bushmaster did have the better name. but I think their guns were used in some high profile crimes which maybe is why they didn't promote them more. dpms had the gen 2 they never did promote very well.
Posted By: kwg020 Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
Originally Posted by liliysdad
The DPMS name has been dead for a while, well before the recent doings. Its not a huge loss, they didn't really do anything well, other than be needlessly weird.


I have a DPMS A2 upper and a DPMS lower that were made years apart and they fit like they were cut from the same piece of aluminum. They are mounted up with a 1/9 twist Armalite 16" mid length barrel and it shoots like a house on fire.

kwg
Posted By: Rob96 Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
DPMS was very much known for accuracy.I had two of them with never a problem function wise.
Originally Posted by Rob96
DPMS was very much known for accuracy.I had two of them with never a problem function wise.

i got three that shoot great
Posted By: TWR Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.
Originally Posted by TWR
You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.


I was thinking the same thing...DPMS seemed to find its stride, somewhat, in the 308 realm, but their standard fare was pretty lackluster, overall.
Posted By: avonac Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
Originally Posted by liliysdad
Originally Posted by TWR
You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.


I was thinking the same thing...DPMS seemed to find its stride, somewhat, in the 308 realm, but their standard fare was pretty lackluster, overall.


Agreed. The accuracy may be ok, but I have yet to see one finish a high round count event like a carbine class. Their ability to stake anything was consistently absent. There are way to many good choices available to miss DPMS
Posted By: TWR Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
Full disclosure, I quit looking at anything dpms years ago after having issues with their guns and parts. I've never looked at their gen 2 308's but jimmyp here had one that was so good, dpms refunded him his full purchase price after trying to fix it. Maybe they finally figured things out?

If you want an accurate 308, get an Armalite AR-10T and start shooting groups instead of 3 shots.
Posted By: ChrisF Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/03/21
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You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.

I remember "that" DMPS. Back then they were using their whole name, Defense Procurement Military Services. With a name like that, you had a high likelihood of mil-spec parts right? ...WRONG. I got a crash course in civilian AR parts during the first panic under Clinton and I got introduced to what a cast lower receiver looked like courtesy of DPMS. Not long later as manufacturers jumped onto the free float tube bandwagon, DPMS was notable for using thin walled tubing on their "under the handguard: tubes. Fine if you're shooting off the bench, but not fine for their intended purpose of Service Rifle competition where the tube bears high amounts of pull under sling tension. I'm sure they've evolved since then...but those two experiences were telling for me of the DPMS quality mindset.
Originally Posted by TWR
Full disclosure, I quit looking at anything dpms years ago after having issues with their guns and parts. I've never looked at their gen 2 308's but jimmyp here had one that was so good, dpms refunded him his full purchase price after trying to fix it. Maybe they finally figured things out?

If you want an accurate 308, get an Armalite AR-10T and start shooting groups instead of 3 shots.


Not a KA?
What about the Sig TREAD?
Originally Posted by cumminscowboy
Originally Posted by UPhiker
I never understood why Remington seemed to favor DPMS over Bushmaster. It always seemed to me that Bushmaster had much better name recognition.
bushmaster did have the better name. but I think their guns were used in some high profile crimes which maybe is why they didn't promote them more. dpms had the gen 2 they never did promote very well.

The sick thing is, after mass shootings, lots of people came into the store looking for a Bushmaster. No one ever said that they didn't want one because of the shootings. What's the old saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity"?
Posted By: MarkWV Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/07/21
I never had one issue with the two LR-308’s that I owned. Both shot good and were reliable with Wolf, SA and FMMK. I sold them off over the last few months when ammo got hard to find and prices were ripe.
I'm in and around PSA often.
In the .308 AR platform I can say they are way heavier than diamondback products.
As much as I like local owned (PSA w. FN barrels) I opted for the DB.
Originally Posted by TWR
You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.


We can only recite our own experiences. My DPMS LR308 is as and, more accurate than most .308 bolt rifles I have used over the years. It works very well with Varget for the lights and 760 for the heavies. No feed or function issues.
Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Dpms and Bushmaster both swallowed by Remington and buried by Cerebus who is /was headed by some marriage connection of jo biden. You figure it out for yourself looked completely planned to me.

I've heard this "conspiracy" for at least a decade now...usually tied to Soros...but pick the lefty who makes you feel good.

So let's follow the logic. Cerberus spent hundreds of millions of dollars SPECIFICALLY to run the business into the ground? Yeah, that makes total sense.

Perhaps, Cerberus just isn't very good at what they claim to be good at? Doesn't that seem much more likely than some conspiracy that requires someone to willingly lose millions?
Knowing only a little about ARs, the two DPMS rifles that I shot were very accurate. Both had bull barrels and the ones we took prairie dog shooting were VERY accurate, making shots to 500 yards.
Posted By: RufusG Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/17/21
Originally Posted by GunGeek
[So let's follow the logic. Cerberus spent hundreds of millions of dollars SPECIFICALLY to run the business into the ground? Yeah, that makes total sense.


If you're spending someone else's money it makes perfect sense.
There's no conspiracy, Cerberus just really sucks at what they do.
Posted By: RickyD Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/18/21
I have that same rifle. It's a very good shooter.
Originally Posted by MarineHawk
With 168gr Nosler ammo, my DPMS GII Hunter in .308 is the most accurate semiauto I ever have shot.

The American Rifleman reviewer agrees, albeit with Black Hills ammo:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2020/2/6/review-dpms-gii-ar-308 (“The GII Hunter I tested blew me away with its accuracy. I was primarily testing that rifle for our sister publication American Hunter and didn't even plan to include it in this article, but the performance is too impressive to ignore. American Hunter uses three, three-shots groups with three different loads as a test protocol. With the Black Hills 168-gr. load, the first group measured 0.30". That was the best, but the average of three groups was 0.47". The average for all nine groups was 0.80". From an out-of-the-box AR-L shooting factory ammunition, that is very impressive accuracy.”).

That article also explains the cleverness and innovativeness of their redesign of the AR10 to make it better and about a pound lighter.



Sounds like a contender. I keep hearing about how accurate that rifle is..
Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
Originally Posted by TWR
You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.


We can only recite our own experiences. My DPMS LR308 is as and, more accurate than most .308 bolt rifles I have used over the years. It works very well with Varget for the lights and 760 for the heavies. No feed or function issues.



Another contender..
Originally Posted by ChrisF
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You guys are remembering a very different dpms than I am.

I remember "that" DMPS. Back then they were using their whole name, Defense Procurement Military Services. With a name like that, you had a high likelihood of mil-spec parts right? ...WRONG. I got a crash course in civilian AR parts during the first panic under Clinton and I got introduced to what a cast lower receiver looked like courtesy of DPMS. Not long later as manufacturers jumped onto the free float tube bandwagon, DPMS was notable for using thin walled tubing on their "under the handguard: tubes. Fine if you're shooting off the bench, but not fine for their intended purpose of Service Rifle competition where the tube bears high amounts of pull under sling tension. I'm sure they've evolved since then...but those two experiences were telling for me of the DPMS quality mindset.

Yep. I agree. And BIL has a DPMS 308. The Remington he has shoots circles around the DPMS one... YMMV. I recall them for cheapy stuff that wasn't very good.
Originally Posted by crshelton
Knowing only a little about ARs, the two DPMS rifles that I shot were very accurate. Both had bull barrels and the ones we took prairie dog shooting were VERY accurate, making shots to 500 yards.


Their bull barrels tend to be accurate, but they seem to have dimensional issues with just about everything else.....or at least they did at various times....

DPMS, Doesn't Phùcking Meet Standards.
Posted By: TWR Re: DPMS what happened to them? - 03/19/21
AS, That’s the one I remember!
Since nobody has said it yet, I will.

Seems they Didn't Pass Military Standards.

Seriously though, I never had one of their rifles, but I put one of their 20" 1/9 HBar barrel in an upper I put together, and it shoots great.

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