What attributes do they possess that other brands don’t. Trying to figure out what I’m missing out on? I have mostly Colt’s, 6920’s, 6940’s and a 6933 plus one bushmaster varmint mfd 25 years ago.

Several LE, LEO older Colts + 2 BCM's here. I don't think you're missing out on anything. I have nothing against them. To each their own. I'm sure there are some Daniel fans out there. Especially for the MK 18.

I don't know for sure.

I thought DD had a reputation for lightweight stuff, that was still no-compromise???

My impression of the niche they fill is high quality and durability without an insane price. Don't know how much the price qualifier still holds though.

A while back here, if memory serves, there was a thread about quality/durability and someone linked a long-running, famous thread on ar15.com wherein a guy who managed a range in Las Vegas that catered to tourist mag dump events. Their guns had huge round counts and he provided info on what parts broke and how long things lasted, etc. Not only ARs, you name it, they had it. Their ARs were largely Daniel Defense, because they had a history of keeping going. It's not clear if that was based on a head to head evaluation, or just inertia because they worked. Or I could be remembering this wrong.

I don't have any of their guns, maybe a few parts here and there, but I really like their iron sights.

Their rails have a following and the make a good CHF barrel that is not over gassed. Their bolts are on par with Colt and adhere to the TDP as do most of their internals. Their furniture doesn’t work for me and their receivers are basic forged receivers.

But they are over priced IMHO.

I’d be interested in seeing that thread. Have to do a search.

Mid to high price rifles, Mil-Specs, no nonsense AR. Durable and reliable, unlike Marty Daniel.

When I decided I wanted an AR, I toyed briefly with the idea of building one, based on the experiences of a number of knowledgeable people here.

And I talked to several people who built ARs with parts for people.

And then I recollected a poor experience I once had with having a bolt-action rifle put together for me by a 'smith and I decided that ...

Nah. Not again. One and done. Bought a DD and I haven't once thought I should have gotten something else.

Light weight was one of my main criteria. I spent some time talking with Formidilosis about them. He's seen a lot of them in his line of work and what he told me about them made me feel good about the choice. I wanted a pencil barrel, even though he told me they don't like the weight of a suppressor hanging off them, and I haven't regretted the choice. My initial 10-round groups with a 4x scope and factory ammo were consistent with what he was seeing, too.

I think this is it:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/H...ey_have_handled_on_our_range/118-677135/

Thanks Rufus

don't like their furniture. stock, grip, or vertical geip

the owner is a douche

they seem pretty expensive for what you get.

there rails don't suck, but they aren't LmT bomber

bolt appears to be c158 steel. decent reputation. it ain't an LMT enhanced, or an e3 from knights.


the couple i've been around were over gassed.

the controls are vanilla. for pushing 2 grand i want full ambi.

metal and usable backup irons.

and i don't think hammer forge is an attribute that is actually admirable. if you chrome line the bore, wouldn't you want cut rifling to insure uniformity??

i got a feeling manufacture horned up the public on hammer forging to make the cheapest way to make barrels seem attractive.

So Maser, what do you know about Marty Daniel?

he likes red flag laws and publicly stated so

then tried to walk it back


same dumpster bin as Troy

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/daniel-defense-fix-nics/

And then the apology...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/daniel-defenses-marty-daniel-changed-mind-fixnics/

And then again...

https://www.newsweek.com/daniel-def...s-nra-convention-uvalde-shooting-1710477

If he likes red flag laws, fu ck him! End of story.. I've looked at DD, overpriced every time I looked at one. They had some nice features and I'm sure they don't suck, but I have had very good luck with less expensive rifles. No one I've ever met that uses a DD has ever been able to outshoot the Noveske with irons or Northtech Defense (both local companies from the state I used to live in, so I "bought locally" and they have worked very well) I have and those are just 2 examples. AR's are pretty forgiving for the most part. Use good parts in them and a cheap off the shelf receiver will work just fine. A lot of guys use "blemished" receivers and they work just fine with good parts in them. That is the caveat...

Thanks for this. It'a great link.

I don't think you're "missing out on" anything with a Colt, but DDs are lighter.

I have 2 DDM4s and have no complaints. Do everything I've asked 'em to, right up there with my LaRues, LMT, Rock Rivers, POFs, Alexander Arms, you get the point.

If you want a Daniel Defense, buy a Daniel Defense.

By the way, get on the email list for Tombstone Tactical - they have them on sale, now and again, for really good prices.

Daniel Defense, Colt and BCM are all in the same ballpark IMO for function. For what it’s worth the government has contracted rifles from all three. DD does have a noticeably nicer fit and finish again IMO. The DD stock is fugly but is the most comfortable with the rubber over mould. I doubt that there is any difference in ruggedness or reliability between any of them or Aero, FN, Spikes or several others for that matter. I’ve never seen a difference at the range and doubt that anyone would in a war zone given that the critical parts are all built to similar standards with the same materials and similar QC.

A lot of the DD name was made on being the first or one of the first AR manufacturers to make really reliable 10.3” uppers specked by the Navy. To me an 11.5” makes a lot more sense and so would loosing the bulky quad rail. Navy Crane contracted out some 10.3” DD uppers to put on Colt lowers already owned by the Navy. Eventually they contracted the entire MK 18 SEAL rifles to DD which I think is there real claim to fame.

I like mine. Fit and finish are very nice, the stock looks goofy but I like it better than even my BCM stocks. There’s nothing to not like about it but I really only bought it to add a factory SBR MK18 to my collection.

DDs have hammer forged barrels which are of the highest quality. DDs have excellent rail systems as well as pinned gas blocks, a quality BCG, etc.

They aren't the highest end AR out there, but very SOLID. I own two complete guns, one gun with one of their uppers, and several barrels.

Overpriced, Overgassed, Overrated.

My wife has one and likes it.

It doesn’t do anything my SgtOfArms doesn’t do as well for 1/2 the price, or my police surplus Colt M4 refitted with Wilson Combat hand guard for about 1/3 the price.

Years ago, I was asked to reinstate our high school air rifle team. I had no budget and no support,
We had crossman air guns, and no uniforms, etc.
JROTC (who usually sponsors Rifle Team) provided pellets and targets - the rest was on me.

I contacted DD and was given $1000 for start up expenses. On a trip out that way, we left early and stopped by DD in Black Creek and were treated very well by the company and all the staff.

Say what you want, but they came through and supported high school athletics when several other "big name" companies wouldn't even return a phone call or an e-mail.

Got to appreciate that.

I sure hope my SGT is better than the experience of getting it.

The pinned gas block on the DDM4V7P was a major influencer for me. Also, soon after I bought it, DD changed the buffer tube on the pistol from one that the arm brace just slid on to one with positive positions like any other AR. DD changed it out for me and replaced the brace, no charge.