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Posted By: wabigoon Canada is. - 02/15/24
Peaceful, no Alamo, no civil war. Only the Riel Rebelion.
Posted By: norm99 Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Peaceful, no Alamo, no civil war. Only the Riel Rebelion.

You forgetting 1812.


norm
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
Yes I did.
Posted By: kkahmann Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
No civil war? What happened on the Plains of Abraham. The Fenian raids? The Arcadia clearances ? Lots and lots of violence between HBC and the Montreal Company’s,XYZ and NWC? A lot of it occurred before the American Revolution.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
Then we have sir William Van Horne.
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
It is interesting to know many of the battles/wars always had an indian in the middle of it. I haven't read up on any of the eastern Wars since high school, perhaps as Canadians we should.

kkahmann points out the war between the NWC and HBC was a series of battles that shaped western Canada and would be forgotten about if it were not documented in the Fur trading journals and archived.
To my knowledge, the number of people killed is a complete unknown, similar to the Chilcotin war in BC, an unknown. One entity can't read or write and the other can lol.

I often wonder why the Riel resistance is referred to as a "rebellion" when an entity is fighting for and on its homeland? could of turned into a real blood bath if it got out of hand, and involved not just two opposing sides, but multiple.
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
673;
Morning once more, I still hope you're all warm, well and dry this morning.

While I know you and I have tilled this soil previously, I've read a wee bit more on the matter.

The more I read, the more I'm convinced that Jerry Potts should be the next person on our $100 bill at very least and for sure the western provinces owe him something.

While he was only one voice for sure and certain, as a war chief of long standing and huge reputation in the Blackfoot Nation as well as his relationship with the NWMP, when he spoke it carried weight.

There's fairly compelling evidence that he kept the Blackfoot Confederacy out of the 2nd Riel action.

If they'd joined in, that combined with Gabriel Dumont's military leadership would have been a game changer.

I know, I know, alternative history is always super speculative, but I'd argue while we might be Canada today, it'd be different - perhaps markedly different.

Lets also remember that at this time the US still had many within their halls of power who were inclined to push north and absorb as much of Canada as they could hold.

All the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: downwindtracker2 Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
I met Gabriel Dumont's grandson. He was an 80 year old prospector. He had good sized pozzilan (sp) claim. It's an additive to large pours of concrete.
Posted By: bushrat Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
Canada is.....dysfunctional at best. A huge,vast country with more resources per capita than pretty much anywhere. A once self sufficient country that has frittered away economic independance, our patriotic social identity, our military, our borders, our manufacturing, immigration policies, et al., tied up and strangled by regulation and wokeness.

Canada has abandoned any vision of independant destiny in favor of Globalization. Globalist billionaires have been allowed/invited a heavily increasing influence in domestic gov't policy. They see nothing more than a pile of resources for the taking and a gov't that thrives on shiny trinkets, beads, pat on the head accolades and is giving away the farm to get them.

We are at a point in history where if we don't take measures to reclaim our independance and self sufficiency we will be overun by outside interests. Globalists have set foot on our shores, already have their hands in our pie. It needs to stop. If we don't assert control of our destiny we will lose it. We will then understand how Native people felt when whites showed up and they welcomed these strange newcomers.. History repeats itself, quite apparent we don't learn from it.. It's happening right before our eyes. We are being lied to and decieved.

Edit to add, It has come to the point we need to protect the country from our government.
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
bushrat;
Good afternoon sir, I hope your part of Alberta is behaving in all ways possible and you're well.

Spot on with the post sir, unfortunately but absolutely spot on.

Your premier and Saskatchewan's give me some hope, while mine gives me less than none with his approach.

Thanks for the post and all the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: kkahmann Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
I always liked what Chief Poundmaker said at his trial after the rebellion—“We made war gently upon you”. He stopped a massacre at the Battlefords that would have been another Little Big Horn.
Posted By: Gojoe Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
No civil war, don't worry you're gonna get there.
Posted By: downwindtracker2 Re: Canada is. - 02/15/24
No Civil War ?, We have treading on the edge constantly. We in the west have little or no understanding . And it's not Alberta .
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
Originally Posted by kkahmann
I always liked what Chief Poundmaker said at his trial after the rebellion—“We made war gently upon you”. He stopped a massacre at the Battlefords that would have been another Little Big Horn.
Good post.
Everyone who is interested in Canadian history and you like guns needs to go to the museum in Battleford Sask, its beside the actual fort. It has a huge collection of firearms, many hundreds of them.

Then there is this beside the fort.
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: kkahmann Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
The largest mass execution in the Us was hanging 36 Natives (actually 33 Natives and 3 Metis) in Mankato, Minnesota in 1863.
The largest mass execution in Canada was hanging 8 Cree Natives after the Riel Rebellion.
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
I met Gabriel Dumont's grandson. He was an 80 year old prospector. He had good sized pozzilan (sp) claim. It's an additive to large pours of concrete.
Gabriel Dumont had a number of siblings, one was Joseph Dumont, our family had a lifelong friend who passed away in 2009, his name was Joseph Gabriel ..........(last name omitted) he was Joseph's grandson.

From pictures available, he looked like Gabriel Dumont, more importantly he acted like Gabriel Dumont and was not to be messed with, he taught me things that shaped my life and kept me out of alot of trouble, in my view, a true "old person".
My Mother who is 89 in a few weeks just reminded me recently how much she missed him as well.

If it were not for the leadership of some of the Cree Chiefs, Starblanket, Big Bear, Piapot, Poundmaker etc... western Canada would of turned into a collossal bloodbath, and frankly still is a simmering pot.

My 4th gen Grandfather was a "hunt captain" and a witness for treaty 4, and his name is on the monument in treaty park Ft Qu'appelle Sask, Sept 15 1874.
Posted By: HughW Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
Originally Posted by 673
Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
I met Gabriel Dumont's grandson. He was an 80 year old prospector. He had good sized pozzilan (sp) claim. It's an additive to large pours of concrete.
Gabriel Dumont had a number of siblings, one was Joseph Dumont, our family had a lifelong friend who passed away in 2009, his name was Joseph Gabriel ..........(last name omitted) he was Joseph's grandson.

From pictures available, he looked like Gabriel Dumont, more importantly he acted like Gabriel Dumont and was not to be messed with, he taught me things that shaped my life and kept me out of alot of trouble, in my view, a true "old person".
My Mother who is 89 in a few weeks just reminded me recently how much she missed him as well.

If it were not for the leadership of some of the Cree Chiefs, Starblanket, Big Bear, Piapot, Poundmaker etc... western Canada would of turned into a collossal bloodbath, and frankly still is a simmering pot.

My 4th gen Grandfather was a "hunt captain" and a witness for treaty 4, and his name is on the monument in treaty park Ft Qu'appelle Sask, Sept 15 1874.


Amazing family history and something to be proud of.

My Dad's sde traces back to the Brazo's --- one distant relative was a fur trapper / explorer that he and his wife had 17 children in their immediate family. Different times bred different / strong - self reliant people.
Posted By: greydog Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
Originally Posted by bushrat
Canada is.....dysfunctional at best. A huge,vast country with more resources per capita than pretty much anywhere. A once self sufficient country that has frittered away economic independance, our patriotic social identity, our military, our borders, our manufacturing, immigration policies, et al., tied up and strangled by regulation and wokeness.

Canada has abandoned any vision of independant destiny in favor of Globalization. Globalist billionaires have been allowed/invited a heavily increasing influence in domestic gov't policy. They see nothing more than a pile of resources for the taking and a gov't that thrives on shiny trinkets, beads, pat on the head accolades and is giving away the farm to get them.

We are at a point in history where if we don't take measures to reclaim our independance and self sufficiency we will be overun by outside interests. Globalists have set foot on our shores, already have their hands in our pie. It needs to stop. If we don't assert control of our destiny we will lose it. We will then understand how Native people felt when whites showed up and they welcomed these strange newcomers.. History repeats itself, quite apparent we don't learn from it.. It's happening right before our eyes. We are being lied to and decieved.

Edit to add, It has come to the point we need to protect the country from our government.

Absolutely nothing to disagree with here. There is probably no other country which has willfully, and deliberately, cast aside it's heritage and tried to refute it's history to the extent that Canada has (although the US is certainly working at it). GD
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/16/24
Originally Posted by greydog
Originally Posted by bushrat
Canada is.....dysfunctional at best. A huge,vast country with more resources per capita than pretty much anywhere. A once self sufficient country that has frittered away economic independance, our patriotic social identity, our military, our borders, our manufacturing, immigration policies, et al., tied up and strangled by regulation and wokeness.

Canada has abandoned any vision of independant destiny in favor of Globalization. Globalist billionaires have been allowed/invited a heavily increasing influence in domestic gov't policy. They see nothing more than a pile of resources for the taking and a gov't that thrives on shiny trinkets, beads, pat on the head accolades and is giving away the farm to get them.

We are at a point in history where if we don't take measures to reclaim our independance and self sufficiency we will be overun by outside interests. Globalists have set foot on our shores, already have their hands in our pie. It needs to stop. If we don't assert control of our destiny we will lose it. We will then understand how Native people felt when whites showed up and they welcomed these strange newcomers.. History repeats itself, quite apparent we don't learn from it.. It's happening right before our eyes. We are being lied to and decieved.

Edit to add, It has come to the point we need to protect the country from our government.

Absolutely nothing to disagree with here. There is probably no other country which has willfully, and deliberately, cast aside it's heritage and tried to refute it's history to the extent that Canada has (although the US is certainly working at it). GD
Bushrat is not wrong, nor is Greydog.
This is why Country born people need to become active Politically, instead we have foreign born Politico's.

Something to note is how Native Canada has been subverted, it is controlled by only a few, maybe 5 individuals, yet control the most influential Political entity in Canada by subversion. If anyone wants to unleash a shyte storm, unleash this Political force, as an example.......what is the immigration policy of the Assembly of First Nations, or the Metis National Council?
Posted By: HughW Re: Canada is. - 02/17/24
Canada --- after 8 years of Justin Trudeau as a country we are fundamentally changed.

I do not think that we can recover from many of the policies that the Liberal and now the Liberal / NDP coalition has put in place. The left leaning woke teams are imbedded in Ottawa’s bureaucracy and any government coming in now trying to implement change will be dealing with foot dragging, holidays, sick leave, requests for change placed on the bottom of the pile, requests for information shuffled between desks.

The size of the Federal civil service has grown significantly, both in numbers and new departments and cannot be reeled in easily. This tax burden is significant.

Our ranking as a nation has dropped in all true measured economic indicators (not Freeland’s spin indicators) and risen when it comes to government corruption, government scandals, a haven for drug pushing and home for refugee terrorists. We cannot keep confidences and are excluded from meaningful security partnerships.

We have convicted criminals appointed as Ministers. We have a Prime Minister that has committed multiple ethics violations and continues to get a free ride as he bought the media.

We have Universities following DEI as a fundamental learning model and moving away from STEM teaching. We no longer can have an open debate of ideas without being shouted down.

We have censorship of on-line platforms that restricts open access to information to all people.

On a provincial level we have Quebec at one end that does not carry its weight for economic development killing projects that would benefit the whole nation. On the other end of the country, we have BC pursuing policies with free drugs and their own versions of native reconciliation driven by a left leaning government (granted there were no treaties in this province).

We have government leaders moaning over homelessness – yet these are the same leaders that kill projects that would employ all levels of skills --- including yard clean up, parking attendants, custodial --- the people that want to work to get ahead or just stay busy but cannot as there are no jobs for them.

We have the BS spin of creation of new green jobs. Go see small town Alberta around the coal plants that were shut down. Businesses closed and people that had meaningful work that supplemented their farm income now in trouble.

I would say the nation we were will be significantly changed for the future.
Posted By: downwindtracker2 Re: Canada is. - 02/17/24
Canada is at it's finest, pragmatic and reasonably tolerant. Free of ideology. But to us old pharts, it's not the country of youth. It's not the Orange Order going after the French speaking Catholic Metis, anymore.
Posted By: Jordan Smith Re: Canada is. - 02/17/24
Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
Canada is at it's finest, pragmatic and reasonably tolerant. Free of ideology. But to us old pharts, it's not the country of youth. It's not the Orange Order going after the French speaking Catholic Metis, anymore.
You must live in a very different Canada than the one in which I live.
Posted By: Jordan Smith Re: Canada is. - 02/17/24
Originally Posted by HughW
On the other end of the country, we have BC pursuing policies with free drugs and their own versions of native reconciliation driven by a left leaning government (granted there were no treaties in this province).
I would call it a far-left government, not left leaning.
Posted By: greydog Re: Canada is. - 02/18/24
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by HughW
On the other end of the country, we have BC pursuing policies with free drugs and their own versions of native reconciliation driven by a left leaning government (granted there were no treaties in this province).
I would call it a far-left government, not left leaning.
Yeah, that's closer to the truth. GD
Posted By: Seafire Re: Canada is. - 02/18/24
Originally Posted by bushrat
Canada is.....dysfunctional at best. A huge,vast country with more resources per capita than pretty much anywhere. A once self sufficient country that has frittered away economic independance, our patriotic social identity, our military, our borders, our manufacturing, immigration policies, et al., tied up and strangled by regulation and wokeness.

Canada has abandoned any vision of independant destiny in favor of Globalization. Globalist billionaires have been allowed/invited a heavily increasing influence in domestic gov't policy. They see nothing more than a pile of resources for the taking and a gov't that thrives on shiny trinkets, beads, pat on the head accolades and is giving away the farm to get them.

We are at a point in history where if we don't take measures to reclaim our independance and self sufficiency we will be overun by outside interests. Globalists have set foot on our shores, already have their hands in our pie. It needs to stop. If we don't assert control of our destiny we will lose it. We will then understand how Native people felt when whites showed up and they welcomed these strange newcomers.. History repeats itself, quite apparent we don't learn from it.. It's happening right before our eyes. We are being lied to and decieved.

Edit to add, It has come to the point we need to protect the country from our government.

great post!
Posted By: KillerBee Re: Canada is. - 02/18/24
Originally Posted by bushrat
Canada is.....dysfunctional at best. A huge,vast country with more resources per capita than pretty much anywhere. A once self sufficient country that has frittered away economic independance, our patriotic social identity, our military, our borders, our manufacturing, immigration policies, et al., tied up and strangled by regulation and wokeness.

Canada has abandoned any vision of independant destiny in favor of Globalization. Globalist billionaires have been allowed/invited a heavily increasing influence in domestic gov't policy. They see nothing more than a pile of resources for the taking and a gov't that thrives on shiny trinkets, beads, pat on the head accolades and is giving away the farm to get them.

We are at a point in history where if we don't take measures to reclaim our independance and self sufficiency we will be overun by outside interests. Globalists have set foot on our shores, already have their hands in our pie. It needs to stop. If we don't assert control of our destiny we will lose it. We will then understand how Native people felt when whites showed up and they welcomed these strange newcomers.. History repeats itself, quite apparent we don't learn from it.. It's happening right before our eyes. We are being lied to and decieved.

Edit to add, It has come to the point we need to protect the country from our government.

bushrat,

You could easily have started your correct analysis with this, and been spot on and accurate:

The USA is.....

I truly feel sorry for young people these days, what a chit show!
Posted By: rost495 Re: Canada is. - 02/18/24
Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
Canada is at it's finest, pragmatic and reasonably tolerant. Free of ideology. But to us old pharts, it's not the country of youth. It's not the Orange Order going after the French speaking Catholic Metis, anymore.
Spoken like a brainwashed left liberal.
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/18/24
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by downwindtracker2
Canada is at it's finest, pragmatic and reasonably tolerant. Free of ideology. But to us old pharts, it's not the country of youth. It's not the Orange Order going after the French speaking Catholic Metis, anymore.
Spoken like a brainwashed left liberal.
Trying to interpret what Downwinddipshit says is difficult at best, I often wonder wtf....but think its safe to say what he thinks and what he pens is exactly what the problem is.
Posted By: comerade Re: Canada is. - 02/19/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Peaceful, no Alamo, no civil war. Only the Riel Rebelion.
See....The Battle of Vimy Ridge. Many will say it defined us as a nation.
It was not a peaceful event . Our forefathers just did their duty
Lookup ,WW1 and WW2.
These are the other war stories we listened to as youngsters.
Imagine , a Canadian Storm Trooper crossing no man's land to raid a German, WW1 Trench .
Closer to home, The Richard Riots, Eddie Shore, Gordie Howe.
This is our heritage. I could go on and on and on.
Posted By: Nick1899 Re: Canada is. - 02/19/24
The Winnipeg General Strike of 1919, not a peaceful event. There are many events in our history that were brutal. The crushing of the Truckers protest in Ottawa just being the most recent example.

Nick
Posted By: swiftshot Re: Canada is. - 02/20/24
Canada is still a great country.
Posted By: KillerBee Re: Canada is. - 02/20/24
Originally Posted by swiftshot
Canada is still a great country.

I lived in Montreal, if Chez Paris and Supersex are still open, then you may have a point lol
Posted By: RHM Re: Canada is. - 02/20/24
Originally Posted by Nick1899
The Winnipeg General Strike of 1919, not a peaceful event. There are many events in our history that were brutal. The crushing of the Truckers protest in Ottawa just being the most recent example.

Nick

A train loaded with protesters from BC headed to Ottawa in 1935 made it to Saskatchewan before they got shot up by the RCMP.
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/20/24
Originally Posted by RHM
Originally Posted by Nick1899
The Winnipeg General Strike of 1919, not a peaceful event. There are many events in our history that were brutal. The crushing of the Truckers protest in Ottawa just being the most recent example.

Nick

A train loaded with protesters from BC headed to Ottawa in 1935 made it to Saskatchewan before they got shot up by the RCMP.

RHM;
Good afternoon sir, I hope the day in your part of the world is behaving and you're well.

The "Regina Riot" was another instance where the RCMP investigated themselves and were absolved of wrongdoing....


Link to riot.

https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/peace-conflict/the-regina-riot

Link to the commission investigating what went on.

https://1935reginariot.blogspot.com/

Also there was the general strike on the CPR in 1883, the then still NWMP broke the strike on behalf of the company..

"They defused many of the tensions involving the construction workers and the company, including intervening to resolve cases where the workers had not been paid by the company as promised, but they also intervened to support the railway company.

[82] When the railway staff went on strike for higher wages in 1883, the mounted police guarded the company's trains, escorted in new drivers and, when necessary, drove the locomotives themselves; two years later the police broke up a protest over unpaid wages by over a thousand construction workers, arresting the main leaders.

[83] The head of the Canadian Pacific Railway, William Van Horne, thanked the force for its contribution to the final completion of the project"

Anyways, a smooth historic road has not always been had here.

All the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: comerade Re: Canada is. - 02/21/24
Yes, Canada is a great country and It has the potential to excede all others.
If, in my opinion...
1)Canadian's move more toward , not away from Christianity
2)We must amend our Federal Parlimentary system to include proportional voter representation.
Folks, it is worth a shot.
Posted By: wabigoon Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Any Canadian PM, ever been shot?
Posted By: HughW Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Any Canadian PM, ever been shot?

Short answer -- No.

The only Canadian Politician shot was Pierre Laporte by the FLQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Laporte
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Hugh;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the day behaved on your side of the big hills and this finds you well.

Not to pick nits with you sir, but way, WAY back in the day "somebody" offed Thomas D'Arcy McGee...



Some say it was Fenians, who of course had ties in the US as well as Ireland and who invaded here a couple times...

So it might be that Irish Americans were the first to shoot a Canadian politician? shocked

If you like history, that channel does pretty good stuff actually.

All the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
All;
As an addition to the above post and another I made, here's another channel I subscribe to.

This one deals with the armaments of the Canadian side of the Fenian raids or better said one of them.



Interesting that state of the art, privately held firearms made a difference isn't it?

All the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: HughW Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Good catch Dwayne --- forgot all about Mr McGee
Posted By: BC30cal Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Hugh;
Good evening to you sir, thanks for the reply.

I believe we can both say that incident was a bit before our time, so we can be forgiven for forgetting it. wink

All the best.

Dwayne
Posted By: HughW Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Interesting historical write ups on Darcy McGee and his murder. Different times

https://www.tvo.org/article/the-ass...ee-a-murder-mystery-for-the-record-books
Posted By: comerade Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
I would put Canada's reputation up against all others as warriors. Pick a war or conflict , folks.
Canadian resolve will be second to none.
As settlers of our homeland, ingenuity and resourcefulness and stick-to-it-ness.
When I look at my own families determination to carve out a life in this land- it is astonishing but not an exception. Most all the others were doing the same.
British, Italian, German etc. You pick the origin.
Posted By: 673 Re: Canada is. - 02/22/24
Originally Posted by comerade
I would put Canada's reputation up against all others as warriors. Pick a war or conflict , folks.
Canadian resolve will be second to none.
As settlers of our homeland, ingenuity and resourcefulness and stick-to-it-ness.
When I look at my own families determination to carve out a life in this land- it is astonishing but not an exception. Most all the others were doing the same.
British, Italian, German etc. You pick the origin.
Good post^^^^
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