In an almost instantly prior Thread of this Forum concerning a suspect Model 1895 Savage, a few brief Posts mentioning the Remington Model 14, a Pump Action centerfire rifle made from the early teens of the Twentieth Century to just-into the latter half of that Century. Considering the "Remington" brand was a respected mainstream American arms manufacturer continuously from mid 19th Century to demise some few years ago, there is little "Forum Voice" for the brand nowadays. The "Remington Society" should and does purport such representation. Factually only to view their 'Rifles Post 1998 Production' you see a Web destination of 'participation lite'. The 'Why?', is another issue and not to go there, but facts are facts. I'd propose to offer occasional "shelter" to Remington collectors and fans here and 'if warranted', perhaps a "General Collector Purposed Rifle Forum here within warmth of "The Fire!"

My view as these first half prior Century Models as something of the "Swiss Watch" of such era rifles. They were sound and sturdy, but somewhat complex. The motion of pump actions is perhaps the "most natural" lineal movement as literally pulling the rifle into shoulder in linear movement. A "straight pull rifle" the equivalent but pump design with the distinct advantage of simultaneously supporting the rifle as a natural consequence of hand placement. That ergonomic positioning made the pump rifle unique as advantageous. The Remington rifles of reference here, were exactly such Model. Yet of two principal shortcomings. The design wasn't reasonably accommodating of high pressure loads such as the rising to high civilian popularity of the 30-06 cartridge. Thus, consigned to the "light to mid-duty chamberings. Indeed, beyond some experimenting, only the four Remington proprietary cartridges were chambered: .25 Remington, .30 Remington, .32 Remington and .35 Remington rounds. Ironically, the Remington Model 30 (Enfield based) was also chambered in these rounds as well as the larger class heavier rounds.

The Model 14 came along in both 22" barrelled rifle and 18" Carbines. The latter with straight grip stock. Early 14 Models were also available in a sub-variation termed the Model 14 1/2 in chamberings of 38/40 and 44/40. Thus Remington 'functionally' wanted to capture part of the Winchester Model 1892 and ballistic equivalent Winchester Models 1894 as similarity of pressures and ballistic capabilities. In 1936, the Model 141 succeeded the Model 14, with period of "transitional rifles" utilizing the Model 14 barrel as updated 141 factual actions if some unmarked of Model designation. 141 actions and 14, mix of models as clearing out old production.

The Models 14 & 141 'genre' were basically alike from exterior & user impression. Appearance and ergonomics quite similar. The carbine model persisted in I believe in near single digit specimens; recollections not clear on that nor of any such in Model 141 with the straight stock persisting. One prominent feature of both Models as ALL with takedown features. Especially in the Carbine package a particularly compact and slim resulting package presented. These rifles in prewar context, very nicely made, available in several Grades and accommodating a very nice small aft rising "Tang" sight inconspicuous factory holes.

The 'net' concerning these rifles, as noted, complex, requiring something of a symphony of components playing in harmony as cycling the action of tubular magazine type. Overcoming the hazards of such complexity as doing their job very well as the product of "quality" throughout. And on that point, a sad postscript. "Reputation!" Such of these rifles as well as the Semi-Auto Model 81. Alleged quality said to have slipped considerably in terms of Postwar production. No comment as no personal experience with these late editions, but hearing it often. Whatever! The Model 760 as its successor of the Fifties era. Notably 'curing' the high power vacuum of slide capabilities with a rotating serrated bolt solving that problem. Remington, the Firm passed into the Fifties era as newly invigorated with the new Model 721 and 722 long and medium bolt action centerfire editions in 1948.

A brief moment or recognition to Tom Hemphill, who is a Premier guru of all things Models 14 and 141 and who helped some years ago in my in my understanding of these Models.

A reference here by the late Ken Blausch concerning the Remington 14/141 Carbine which also contains 141 material as in comparison:
https://www.remingtonsociety.org/remington-model-141-carbines/

Moderator: Kindly feel free to delete this Thread if you feel it's too lengthy too far afield, etc., of Savage subject matter.

Best!
John

Thanks for the manifesto.

Before I read any of this lengthy post, can I ask if this has anything remotely to do with Savage firearms?

My thoughts also !! i guess they were made in the same state !!

on the same River even!

Have we hit rock bottom talking about the R word?

In this forum yes

My trap gun is a model 31 trap special. I'd say probably the finest pump shotgun ever made, other than being more than a little complicated to disassemble. My quail and pheasant gun for about 30 years was a first year 1100 with skeet stocks. With the upgraded wood it is even nice looking. I used a 700 in 243 for whitetail, mullies and antelope from age 12 until about 10 years ago. That thing can shoot.

So I have a lot of respect for them, at least the older ones. Just not in a Savage forum. LOL. I have wondered why there isn't a sub forum on the 'fire for them.

They're slick handling little rifles. I do not own one, but I'd like one in 25 if it ever happens to fall into my lap.

I haven't encountered a huge number of the 14s, but a few I have come across at shops have problems with the elevator not working right (specifically not coming up all the way). Is that a pretty common issue, or has my luck just been bad in finding damaged/worn out specimens?

That sounds reasonable enough to me.

There’s kind of a sub forum on the Deer hunting forum under the 284 page thread “Pump Rifles and deer”. It shouldn’t be too hard to start a new forum, a couple newbies just started the “.405 aficionados” forum, bringing it over from farcebook. I kinda got into the 141 history researching a 141 Carbine I picked up last fall. Found out from the Remington Society it’s pretty uncommon.

John (Isrka) just ask Rick Bin or anyone in his group (see Contact Us at bottom of the page) if they would set up a Forum for Remington Collectors. There is a Savage and Winchester Collectors Forum so why not a Remington. It would be good if you would then spread the word, in simple English, to let other know that a Forum is available here at the 24 Hour Campfire. Sounds like a good idea to me.

May I add a little from down under, last year there was a farm clearing sale about 6 hours from where I live we decided to go and stay in a caravan park about an hour from the sale. There were two 141/2 carbines in 44-40 never seen one here before, well things went pear shaped got a late night call re a family issue so went home first thing in the morning and missed the sale. One was in really good condition the other a bit rough number one made $160.00 AUD about $105.00 USD the other $60.00 AUD I was not happy camper as the family thing was a complete beat up. I got the auctioner to contact buy and just put a price on them but no luck.

Can't tell you how much this eats me every time I think about it

Johno

Remington had the good sense to make the 81 in 300 savage, a great semi auto.

Let’s not be so harsh. I own and hunt with a Remington model 14 in 30 rem made in 1921 that has every bit the quality of my savage 99 in 300 sav that was made in 1934. I love these 2 vintage rifles that still function as well as the day they were made just smoother due to usage. Both great guns in their own right.

Hi Rick99 & re concerning a Remington Forum. Think it' potentially a great idea IF FOLKS WILL COME, as you mentioned as also concurring, "coming" contingent on knowing of it and "getting the word out.' Yet another critical half of such formula, the 'manpower' of knowledgeable Members willing to monitor and provide experience/expertise necessary to make it viable! Perhaps involving whatever Remington Brand name successor IF APPROPRIATE.

I have no idea whatsoever in manner of what's required to get a new Forum off the drawing boards. As far as requisite protocol, I'd suggest the Fire membership here as first and most strategic stop. A survey to determine Member interest in a Rem Forum. 'IF' insufficient here as valid cross-section of persons with potential interest; likely to crash & burn. 'If valid, the opportunity of surveying who may be interested as committing to shrivelling such Forum and providing expertise. Expertise conjured as able to answer questions OR assist the person seeking answers as "assisting".

Here, in said context of "word spreading", the entirety of Fire Forum members "getting the word out", helping to launch & 'make a go'.

Personal "disclosure moment" concluding. I've been appropriately characterized as "productive idea man", turned to backhand compliment as noting "not so great follow up as 'rubber meeting the road'. I can assist according to my own "knowledgeable areas, particularly of particular Remington centerfire bolt and pump rifles. I'll happily help as I can, but can't be counted as any "strategic asset"!

Good luck with such an endeavour if attempted and advise how I might assist!

Best!
John

A thank you to you 'iskra' on your Rem 4/114 post. Ya while this is the Savage section of the 24 Hour Forum that mostly discusses Savage 99's, I enjoy the 14/114 Models and the 8/81 semi-auto's. I don't have either a 14 or 114, I enjoy reading about them. I have contemplated getting one or either of the model in 35 Rem caliber, bid on a few at times on GB, but still without. I do have and reload for three Rem 81's (two in 300 Savage, and one in 35 Rem). All are interesting and well made workhorses from the past.

Sort of active on the 'Great Remington 8/81 Forum' but it has gotten to be a rather slow forum. Problem is I basically target shoot with the 81's as I do my Savage 99's as in Iowa the bottle neck calibers are banned for deer hunting. A Remington geared section on the 24 Hour forum might work as there are plenty of shooters shooting/hunting with Rem shooters from back in the day and it is interesting reading about them. Remington bolt and semi-auto rifles/shotguns aren't anything to discount either. Right now if any posts about the older Rem's is looked for you must search through all of the hunting, big game, deer hunting, and other 24 Hour sections for info.

Well, a new Remington Collectors Forum will live or not depending on who is interested enough to follow through with the idea.

If nothing else, post your idea on the other 24HCF forums and see what interest there is. You never know till you try. This Savage Collectors site originated more than 20 years ago on another website that died. Some of those original members are still here...hundreds have come and gone.

Always had a thing for the carbines

I'm sure there'll be interest in it. The thread I referred to on the Deer hunting page has 954,895 views and 2934 replies, most having to do with Remington centerfire pump guns. Add in all the other Remington Arms products and I think you'd have good participation.

The closest I get to this subject is a pair of Model 25's in .25-20 and a Riot Model 31.

Well, if not for the Remington Model 8 and 14 guns and the cartridges they were chambered for it is possible the Stevens 425 might not have been born!

I could go for a Remington collector forum though I am down to just a few Model 8/81s, a 22 rimfire, and I think a Model of 1917 left. I long ago sold off my Model 10/29s, M32, "American" A-5s, 721/722s, 1903s, early 760s, a Mosin/Nagant and a slew of rimfires. I kick myself for not buying a couple 14s in 25 Remington but I was short on funds and those funds were needed for something else. Almost bought a transition Model 141 in 30 Rem but the buttstock was an aftermarket replacement and the seller wouldn't budge from original pricing.

Some really interesting Posts here as realizing how much I miss an active banter on "subjects Remington". Forums are one of the last great interactive learning experiences re guns. Reiterating also my willing Rem Forum "follower/participant" status. Just not leadership presence here, Apologies if appropriate.
Good Luck!
John

You might be surprised at how little input will be needed on your part after the Forum is set up. Put two or more on a forum with common interests and they will post. Leaders will surface.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/19245185/remington-14-141

I think a Remington Collector forum would be a great idea, having about 40 of each I’d definitely have to figure out how to post pics.
Well there’s a surprise, it worked-sorta! The 3 Remingtons are all .25’s and a 1922 F .300.

The only collectable Remintins i ever owned was a 14 1/2 in 44-40, and a Remintin Hepburn in 38-55. I do have a Harry Lawson custom Remintin model 700 in 458 winchester magnum, It needs to go away also !!

You need a trip to Alaska to justify that 458!

Loggah, did you ever shoot that 141/2? I had one years ago, and it would not feed my reloads, that worked fine in a 92 Winchester. I traded it to a dealer/gunsmith, who was going to take it to Tennessee for wild hogs. (They were not the pests they are now; I think these were Russian Boars.} He tried to make it work, but said the bore was so oversize, he could chamber a bullet that fit. It was a handy little rifle, but I didn't get hurt trading it off. The elderly gentleman I had bought it from had bought in the very late thirties or early forties from an ad in the Rifleman. An outfit in NYC, Hudson's, was liquidating a lot of discontinued rifles and revolvers.

The thing was pretty near mint,and i never shot it!! In traded it for a early 1894 winchester short rifle in 38-55.

A Remington forum is a splendid idea. Unfortunately I am not much of a poster, but I am a hell of a good lurker. I check the savage page at least every other day, Winchester, every few days. Remington would be in the middle. Have 14s in 25 and 30, several 700s, including a couple 20 inch barrel first year production models, mountain rifles. Most of all I have been a huge fan of the model 11. Have them in every gauge and have gifted one to each of my 4 boys. Possibly the greatest working man’s shotgun of all time. A Win 12 or REM 870 could maybe give it a run for its money.
Would love to see a Remington forum.

Eric

They run well over $1000.00 Us over here and are damned hard to find at that.

Interested if that makes any difference, I'm a fan of the m14 and m141 as well as the m25 .

I asked Rick Bin about setting up a Remington Collectors Forum. His comment was " If there are enough of them. I don't want to start a dead forum."

I have no interest in this so if you guys want it someone or a group will have to step up and do enough posting/asking and answering questions to keep it alive.

The Forums are a great way to compare and learn from others with similar interests as you. If you just want to congratulate someone for owning a gray rat the Forum will die fast.

Post the question on all the other Forums you attend and see if there is an interest. Rick Bin will set you up if the interest is there. Go find the others and good luck.

One question I have not asked... is there another Remington Forum on the web with a big following?

....well I'm answering my own question. I ask Copilot (Microsofts AI)

Copilot
Certainly! If you’re interested in Remington firearms and want to connect with fellow enthusiasts, I recommend checking out the Remington Society. It’s an organization dedicated to the study of Remington firearms. Here are some details about the Remington Society forum:

Forum Name: Remington Society
Description: A place where Remington collectors and enthusiasts gather to discuss various topics related to Remington firearms.
Topics of Discussion:
General Comments or Discussion: Engage in conversations about Remington firearms, history, and related topics.
Remington Handguns: Explore discussions about pre-1899 and post-1898 Remington pistols.
Remington Rifles: Dive into topics related to pre-1899 and post-1898 Remington rifles.
Remington Shotguns: Connect with others interested in pre-1899 and post-1898 Remington shotguns.
Remington Knives: Learn about Remington knives and their production.
Remington Advertising: Discuss Remington advertisements and promotional materials.
Items For Sale and Wanted to Buy: Buy, sell, or trade Remington items.
Guestbook: You can also sign the guestbook and connect with other Remington enthusiasts.
Feel free to explore the Remington Society forum and engage in discussions with fellow collectors! 🌟🔫🔍

Spoke with Rick Bin about a Remington Collectors Forum 5 or 6 years ago. Posted in several relevant forums on the ‘fire, but there was not enough interest at the time.
Maybe things have changed and more members will weigh in
I’d really like to see it happen, hope someone will run with it.

Rick,
I regularly visit the Remington Society of America (RSA) website and forums, there may be others.

I’d be on it most every day. I am a big fan of the model 14s, 141s, model 8 and 81.

I think Rick would like one or more to oversee the site and drum up a following. Main thing would be to keep the Forum from turning into a dead airspace.

If one or more of you are up for it just tell him of you plan/interest and he will probably set you up.

I agree fully that "dead Forums" are useless. Moreover, they portend an inference of being symptoms of wider Website. woes! Yet the opposite argument. The proposition, Rome wasn't built in a day and did become a productive social gathering locale. So ot some extend "Forum can rise or fall, not on their productivity, but on the 'rules of the game' imposed by the Forum Executives. "Success" is how you measure it and "reasonable expectations. to my thought, a "good Forum brings the Members, not measured in a vacuum, but in context of the wider "health" or the Fire Forums collectively. All in harmonious orbits! Gun Websites heed time, publicity and the fertilization that most all of us gun owners specialize! One of my objections to significant personal participation is a "produce or perish" cloud overhead. "Volunteers in such environs, a tough class to recruit!

I'd suggest a Wright Bros approach. Give it some time. See if it flies. Opportunity for 'tweaks'. See if it will remain "airborne". Check your 'winds'. Use every Fire Forums to ring the Fire Bell & see who slides down the Pole.


Momment for Remington Society. Difficult for me to speak objectively! It should be the primo Website for about all things Remington in the way of guns. Indeed, I was a member for better part of a half decade. Primarily using the "Rifle Post 1898" Forum, before resigning in disgust in about 2015 or so. The same Forum Moderator there for years to date. Doing more to drive away members than to foster them. It's the only Forum of any sort from which I've resigned. Without saying more, the fact that their Forum public participation is quite low, the number of questions asked and unanswered questions as relatively high. Many of his experts don't participate any more.

I offer the following Rem Society Post 1898 Rifle Forum where "NambuJim" rules as Moderator. Check out this Thread of August 2023 of some hapless person! Nambujim responding: https://www.remingtonsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27873

Nuff said! I rest my case, re RSA. To my mind is a hollow shell of the Organization it "might have been". No serious Forum competition here!

Best!
John

I'd be a steady follower and contributer. Was kinda surprised 7 or so years ago when I joined that there wasn't a dedicated Remington forum. I'm in.

While I check and read the link above that the OP listed (remingtonsociety.org) from time to time, I enjoy 'thegreatmodel8.remingtonsociety.com' forum alot more. It deals only with Models 8, 81, and the European made FN 1900 series. Not sure if it is an offshoot of the forum/link the OP posted, how they are connected if at all. When I joined it 8-9 years ago it was really active but has gotten quiet the last few years. Not sure if the older members who are very knowledgeable lost interest or what the circumstances are, some of them post once in a while. At times it will get active, then get quiet for awhile. There is a wealth of info in the archives if ya search it though. Still a good forum to check on.

From Dad, I inherited a Rem model 8 in .35 Rem.

It would be great to have a forum here so folks like me can become better educated.

Just looking through the existing forums I see a number with small totals of threads and replies. There is s new one I hadn't seen before - '.405 Winchester Aficionados', I would think a Remington one would have a lot more activity than that one ever will! Remington would be one I would watch.

A dedicated 14/141 forum would give me a place to ask about my wild-hair idea of converting one to 250 Savage..,

..Flame suits are like racing leathers, I can sew on any sponsors
name patch I want

Anyone planning on picking up the ball and running with a new Remington Forum?
As Rick99 indicated a few individuals simply expressing an interest won’t get it done, it’s going to take an organized effort.

I wish I had the gumption to run with something like this but my role has been to block or provide protection for the ball carrier. Or, to be the guy tackling him.

That said, today I bought a Model 14 in 30 Rem. Serial number and date code has it being made in 1926. What sold me on it (besides price and condition) was the receiver sight. That alone is probably 1/3 the value of what I paid. I'll take it with to the range tomorrow, it will be a busy day with 5 rifles.

What is involved with picking up the ball? I'm willing to do my share. Anyone else? Would really love to see a forum for ALL Remington models,not just a select few. I think that would die fast.

The Remington Society looks like the place to be.

Remington Society

Not really, it’s not what it could be.
Not a lot of traffic and even less regular posters.
Frequently no posts in many of the Forums for days or even weeks at a time.
Certainly can’t compare to our own Savage Collectors Forum or The Savage 99 Club on Facebook
IMO a Forum here on the ‘fire would be much more timely and relevant with far more traffic
That said, I’ve been an RSA member for more than 10 years and visit the site regularly.

It really does not take much to keep a forum going if a group of you will just check in regularly and post something...ask , answer, post a photo, etc. You have done so with this thread I think you could with a forum. Just go do it.

Only two Remingtons I'm remotely interested in are the model 600 and 121. Otherwise, meh.

I have a 14 in .30 REM. The breech block is a machinist's work of art. Beautiful handling rifle for sure. The bolt release button in the block does the job, but it is hard on the thumb.

The thumb release mechanism was a relatively early interim-era feature of the Remington Model 14 breech block. They were considered a collector variation worth a premium. I had opportunities to acquire them periodically. But as noted, they weren't practical and I bypassed for that reason. So the good news, your specimen is probably more valuable... If less convenient! As I've "opined" before. The Rem Models 14 & 141 are the Swiss Watches of gunmaking art! The downside was bit of clumsiness & inconvenience!

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RE REMINGTON FORUM.
!. Perhaps someone with sufficient stripes to poll in each of the the various Forums concerning Members' interest/participation in such an endeavour. Recruit from our own! Beyond, either to make the venture happen & and see who comes, or just abandon ship!

2. We'd need modern Remington Bolt Gun expertise, Rifles from 700 series forward. 'Perhaps', Rem shotguns too! 4. Legitimate questions should never go unanswered. It is OK to say I don't know, but there shouldn't be a void of silence.

3. Last, the delicate matter of Fire Forums "decorum". Very much of Administrators who condone rough and tumble including personal character attacks. One matter to accept "personal attacks" here as the 'Toll' for participation. I can do that. Yet, quite another to recruit outside experts. "Gentlemen" of whom I'd feel wouldn't be willing to subject themselves to attack for sake of participation.
Just my take
Good Luck!
John

The bolt release has been the same, however early 14s had a "thumbnail safety" on the bolt forward of the release button.

RE Reminton Forum (Fans)
I don't think it's going to bring that many more into the 24HCF, but it's a great place for folks already on here! It's a one stop shop for a lot of my interests........Winchesters, Savages and now Remington without having to log in on different websites. Excellent!

Glad to see this on the Fire.

Thank you Rickbin!

Here is a 30 Rem. that is on the market

Remington has its share of aficionados and collectors so this is very welcome - thank you!!

PennDog

p.s. guess I’ll add that all the early Remington pumps are among my favorite rifles - I have several specimens including Models 12, 14, 14 1/2, 25 and 141s - engineering marvels and slicker than “snot on a door knob” (as my father used to say)! I’ve felt fewer guns (if any) slicker than the Model 31!!!!