Ronc; is that the cast 180 with 296 you were thinking of? That's a real nice 25 yd. group. Punch a whitetail through the lungs with that at 25 yds. and you've got venison. I was thinking of trying that with my 4 & 5/8" Blackhawk at 25 yds. or less. Starting to experiment with some cast 180 gr. gas checked WFN's. Haven't decided what powder to try first.