Originally Posted by oldjerr1939
It fail me to understand why any manufacture would want to put out that kind of junk with out a lot of effort, they could make it good stuff. Raising the price a few cents a box would not be a problem because from CRAP to good people would still buy. Why would you like to be known as manufactures of pure crap//



While I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, it's all about the money.
Right now, they can sell crap, if it's the only crap on the shelf. It doesn't much matter, if it's the only stuff on the shelf, and Remington has banked on the rep of the 700s and 870s for years, while turning out crap .22s, ammo AND guns, for a long while.
Winchester's not any different, they are getting an awful reputation for their rimfire ammo, too, depending on which loads you're talking about. The old SuperX stuff, and Power Points, are still revered, but the promo loads and bulk ammo are suffering badly, too.

Go over to rimfirecentral and you'll find folks who badmouth both brands.
Federal and CCI seem to have kept their good reputations so far, but the "rimfire shortage" is effecting everyone one way or another.


You can roll a turd in peanuts, dip it in chocolate, and it still ain't no damn Baby Ruth.