Tom,

Back when they were real cheap and on sale ( on line) I bought about 4 or 5 thousand of the Winchester 46 grain HP...

its a round nose looking thing, with a big HP in the middle...

For the price I started using it in Blue Dot loads...

its meant for the Hornet.... it sure was accurate and also like hitting these sage rats with a Mini RPG....

Still have a ton of them....they still sell them.. If you're looking to unravel a gopher or sage rat, I'd recommend giving them a try...

Sierra's 40 grain HP was another one that did a good job of disassembling the little flea bitten rodents...

for those that are interested.... found a new alternative for Blue Dot if one can't find any.... and its suppose to be temp insensitive to boot...