I rode modified Associations for years, but my friend Charley Snell, a horse clinician and saddle-maker, built me a saddle on a Weatherly tree. It took me about three months to get used to it, then I loved it. I rode it for over 20 years. Shawn Kramer of Sandhills Saddlery in North Dakota is just now finishing me a rough-out Wade. I should have it in a few days. I ride slick forks and see no need for buckrolls. I may try them on this new saddle, but who knows. Like Pat85 said, if built right, a Wade has a great deep seat. But, Pat, I wouldn't jump straight to a 16" just because of hunting pants. A 15 1/2" would be better in my opinion, unless the 15" is too small now with regular pants.