That's really impressive Fred. I have never hit an elk shoulder, but in the videos I've seen, it hasn't gone well. I realize there is a difference between shooting one in the off shoulder and trying to shoot through the shoulder. What do you shoot?

I think buying a quality head is important. There are a lot out there. I personally shoot Muzzy Trocar. I shot Rocky Mtn. Blitz before, and before that I shot Muzzy MX. All of them work. I don't plan on going back to the MX, because I don't feel they are as accurate/well made as the Trocar.

I tried STricks too. They just didn't shoot quite as well for me as the Trocar.

I've never tried an expandable. They aren't legal in my home state.