Well I'm just glad no one made a hard argument for the .300 magnums. I'm going to pass on the guns I've seen so far and focus my search on a 7mm mag, .338 and .375. For now between a brace of .223's, a 243(next fall rebarreled to 7mm-08) a .30-06 and a .270(I know, the humiliation but it was free) not to mention a few levers and many shotguns and bows I should be able to kill my one or two bears and hopefully one whitetail this fall.