It's almost unbelievable how well my Creedmoor shoots the 123 Scenars, too. The 120 ScenarL is great, but not quite as good as the 123. I've not hunted any big game with the Scenars. Can't quite get myself to do it, at least at present. Speer Hot Cores work very well for my bg hunting with the Creedmoor. So do lots of options, really.