I too like these rifles without scopes. In fact, it kills me to scope them. However, I also have to admit that I shoot them much better with a scope. At this stage of my shooting life, I can stay on an 8 inch 100 yd target with open sights, but I can shoot 1 1/2 inch or smaller groups at that distance with a 4x scope. The "dark deer in dark places" thing resonates with me also.

I like the 1-4 (or so) variables. I have them on two rifles. But truthfully, I rarely use the lower powers. A fixed 4x, maybe an ultralight variety, would be very useful for hunting as long as you don't have too many "in your face opportunities." I like Leupold scopes a lot. Most of the scopes I've bought have been Leupold. They have never failed me in 30 years of shooting. Other makes have failed me occasionally. But, some of the low-priced scopes I've bought have lasted longer and worked better than you'd think. Others have had good experiences with other makes as well.

One more thing-- get good quality scope mounts.

Good luck!


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