I use an 18' ladder stand at my farm. It hasn't been moved or taken down for about eight years. I put a new strap on it up top that my safety vest clips into. I have a rope long enough to pull up my stuff and let it back down when I am leaving. If I hunted public land where you have to take them out I would probably use one that you hang on the tree and strap a ladder bar on. I am getting to old to use one of those so the ladder is about all I would use. The post by fishnpbr mirrors my feeling. I want a simple stand with a place to sit and nothing to interfere with my bow.