Sam....In the AI..4895 with 150`s, both Horn and Sierra, gives me over 3100FPS. Sierra 175`s are a bit over 3k. Again, this is with a 24 inch Douglas and is the 8mm-06AI. I`ve shot these loads for over 20 years, deer and Elk. I found the 150`s were excessivly destructive on deer, so went to the 175`s.