Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by fladeerhntr
Just wanted to ask and see what everyone's experience is with this caliber and bullet combination regarding whether it likes to jump into the lands or if they do better right in the lands. I tried it in my rifle with IMR4064 loaded at 2.800 as the hornady manual says and the best it did was about 1.5-2 inch group at 100 yards. Now I am trying the famous pharmseller load with this bullet along with big game powder and large rifle magnum primers. I did back mine of a couple grains at 44.0 grains to start off with and plan to go to 46.0 and see what the groups do just not sure what to seat them. About the longest I can fit in the magazine of my model 70 is 2.850 maybe just a tad longer but not much. Any advice would be greatly appreciated because this rifle is about to drive me crazy trying to find a load that it'll shoot good. Thanks


More info on the rifle is really needed here. Is it properly glass bedded? Are you using solid mounts and rings and proven scope? All mechanicals good? Does it shoot other loads and bullets well? All questions that need asking before I'd proceed. You can send it to pharmy like he's suggesting, but unless he knows model 70's like the back of his hand, you'll be chit out of luck.

It would also be nice to know where your lands are at, so you have a place to start that bullet. I personally run .020" off on my hunting rifles and then work up to optimum charge weight (OCW). You should be able to find a great load without too much fuss, if the rifle is solid mechanically.

It is a model 70 extreme weather and as far as glass bedding goes I have never glass bedded it unless the original owner did which I highly doubt since he bought it for his daughter and she only hunted with it one season and it sat in the closet after that. As far as the rings go I am using the Talley one piece extra high rings with a zeiss conquest V4 3-12x56mm. It does shoot some loads pretty accurate it just seems to be very picky about what it likes. The most accurate so far has been sierra pro hunters 120 grain over 39.5 grains of IMR4064. To answer your question about the lands I have never measured them since owning this rifle. I went and shot today with a few different bullets and powder combinations and found that the rifle really did well with Barnes 120 ttsx over 50.0 grains of big game and Winchester large rifle primers. I also tried tried the 150 eld-x starting at 44.0 grains and going up one grain all the way to 46.0 with big game powder and magnum rifle primers and it didnt group too good. Also tried some speer 130 hot cors over IMR4064 and they didnt group that great either.