Pharm that's pretty interesting how seating depth changed the groups that much. I tried a load the other day in my 7mm-08 with a 150 eld-x over 38 grains of IMR4064 and it shot about a 2 inch group which most where I am would say that's a good hunting load but I'm not satisfied with that. I may try this load again but just seat them longer than 2.800 as the hornady manual says and see what the groups do.