here is the weird part though, i let my dad borrow it, and i moved 900miles away and he hunts elk a lot more than i do, so after i moved a bought a brand new 300wsm in a browning aboltII, without the boss of course, and that thing really kicked, i dont know if i got a cherry in that .300win, or if the extra couple of inches really helped that much or what, but shooting that 300wsm was annoying, my dad shot it my brother in law and father in law all shot it and all of them agreed that the wsm's recoil was way worse than the 300win's was, so i bought a limbsaver and that helped some, but not enough i got rid of it. which is why i bring up the question about the recoil, the vanguard is a pound heavier than the wsm i had was,and is about the same weight as the 300win.
