Does not matter..
New is NEW..
Used is used..
Period.
My point is be FAIR in the comparison.
I think it is funny how the Zeiss fans bring up the $369 USED scopes to compare them to a NEW VX3 Leupold at $400+
It's because those demo Conquests [\I]exist[I]. So they are a player in the game so to speak.
I wish demo Leupolds existed, and if they did then I'd quote those prices. But they do not.
I wouldn't call Doug'd demos "used". At least not the 3 I've bought. They had never been mounted and showed NO signs of "use".