I mentioned earlier that I had a couple of .444s,and I really like the way they handle.They both have pistol grip stocks and 22" barrels.It's been a long time since I fired that .45-70,is there that much difference between the two in handling?I think I like 'em all,I guess I need to shoot 'em to find out.I need to track down somebody who has them that'll let me try them out.I know for a fact,those .444's can do a number on a deer.