I've been playing with them in my AR. They are a bit long in the nose. I've been seating them to were they just barely fit in the mag. I haven't done much load development yet but they're shooting around .75 MOA. The same AR has been known to put the 50g Vmaxes into .25-.5 moa. I'll play with them a bit more and if the groups come together a bit more they will replace my old standby 50g Vmax load.

Bb