Sgt5 , there is a lot of Info on Saubier . You have to go to the General Discussion Section on Forums and Search for recent " Shot Show " Info . Somewhere in there were pictures of the Ammo ( I think only the Box ) & prototype Rugers , etc . Try the following : http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/25+lvt . Also try http://www.hornady.com/store/17-hornet-dieset/ . When you go to the Savage Site , Click on Firearms , then Gunfinder , then Caliber , then 17 Hornet & it will show you the available Models & MSRP . Luck !

Last edited by boy1; 02/19/12.