I don't like them myself, but I like two holes in a deer. They killed well enough, but would often be found just under the hide, even on small whitetails. I spent a lot of time tracking when using that bullet in areas of thick cover and eventually moved to the E-tip. Maybe it was just my batch of bullets, as many others have said they had no problems with penetration. It wouldn't be much concern if hunting open country where you could see a deer fall after the shot/deathrun.
