The writers (such as Pat Cameron) all really like the 17's. Whether it be a Remington or a wildcat. But they still advise against using one with out snow.
I have owned a couple of 17 Remington's in the past but only shot prairie dogs and a fox or two.
Dink
Maybe they were using the wrong bullet. Because 25gr HP's knock the dog schit out of...dogs...
Travis