I have a Ti Goat vertex 7.5 and with the stove it weighs a little over 6 pounds. On our elk hunt last year on Afognak Island we slept 5 people in it. I've also used the SL 5 a lot - it weighs a little less with the same ti goat cylinder stove but only sleeps 3 or 4 in a pinch (with a stove you need a place to stack wood). Patrick
