How I was told about elk hunting, look for a sectional density of at least .25 and 1500 foot pounds of energy at impact. Maybe modern 250 savages can stabilize a heavy enough bullet to get that done, But my 1899 T/D has enough with 100 grain bullets. 30/30 or better yet 303 savage 180's or 190's with Lever whatever powder. just braying.
