I don't know anything about shooting Haybale&Crockett. I hunt steep up and down stuff, with patches of thick around. I've always taken ribs shots. People I hunt with take ribs shots. I've not seen the 4 WD you are referring to. I've just not seen a lung shot dash that lasted that far. Thinking no farther than 60yds, and usually more like 25ft. Not crying BS, just saying I have never seen it. I'm also a believer in keeping on shooting until stuff falls. Have seen a tendency for many people to take a shot, and if it is good, they 'pose' like on the hunting shows, and watch the animal stumble off, waiting for it to go down. I taught myself to work the action and keep shooting.
