Mule Deer thanks for the info.Case capacity for the barnes charges seemed like it could be a problem.Your info confirmed that. Not the first time barnes has given bad data. Forget the exact load but tried a 358 winchester load from one of their manuals. Reloader 7 was the powder. Tried charging the first case and it would not all fit in the case.

I am thinking 2900 to 3000ish is doable with a 180. With the ruger it has a long magazine and throat. I can go to just about 2.900 so I get a little more powder space.If 59.5 will get a 225 in the 2700 range the Ramshot data of 61.5 will likely get me about where I want to be.