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Thanks for that post.,I have asked a couple of times on here for info and pics when guys got them but they must have forgotten.

I was looking really hard at these mostly for the alleged weight loss. I may be one of the few who like the ergos of the factory and I know it is PLENTY stiff.

Kind of disappointed that the Manners came in at 28 oz. I think my factory weighed in at 30 and I'm glad I didn't drop $600 for a couple of oz! I thought Manners was quoting about 22-24 oz, IIRC.

Anyway, thanks for the info. You probably saved me some moolah! whistle

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