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The snottiest rifle I have ever shot was Ruger #3, with "modern rifle" hand loads in 45-70.
Crescent butt plate killed shoulder, lever tore up my hand, stock slapped face, just nothing to recommend that rifle. [/quote]

I'll second that comment. I had a .375 Winchester in Ruger #3. It was quite accurate but it was at a maximum load. Consequently it kicked like a SOB.

The crescent butt plate was rolled and inlet into the top of the stock. I wanted to add a good recoil pad but it would have required either filler pieces or else would have resulted in a very short stock. I still have several hundred cast bullets I made up for that rifle.

Jim