I had one of the original Red Label 20's with the blued receiver. Shot woodcock in very rough places, it worked fine. Later, I became a skeet shooter, tried to do it with the Red Label, it beat me to death. 100 rounds on a skeet field didn't hurt the gun, but the gun hurt me, even with reloads that were closer to 28 gauge than 20.

The buttstock design on all Red Labels has too much drop, hence more perceived recoil. If the skeet/sporting clays crowd won't buy them, they will never be a success.


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