The 62 TTSX over 26.5-27 grains of TAC works pretty good. Of course someone may say this to you in a whining tone of voice "you shot your deer with that little bullet, and its layin over there dead with no blood trail, I shot mine with my 30-06, blood everywhere and we can't find the deer" you can add "it's not fair" if your so inclined. Savage99 please ignore as you don't know the head from the Arse.