I've got an unaltered Jungle Carbine that was my grandpa's like most of them its not a great shooter, 3 or 4 moa type of thing I've packed it for bear issues but never really hunted with it. I had a sporterized No 4 though by Parker Hale with their barrel and it shot pretty well 1.5 or so. They sure are dependable though and a cool bit of history smile