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In light of recent questions about cetain brands and the respective loyalty the have, i chose to conduct the following scientific test of a Zeiss conquest 3-9x40 rifle scope vs a cardboard papertowel roll. the scopes... #1 the zeiss is 1 inch-diameter center tube One piece body for superior ruggedness. hard anodized black or stainless surface finish. The latter blends perfectly with stainless all-weather weapons. 6 different reticles including Z-Plex and reticle 4 Non-magnifying reticles throughout the entire power range to ensure that the reticle size remains constant and hides as little of the target as possible at long ranges. Parallax-free at 100 yds or with parallax adjustment (AO) in the CONQUEST 4.5-14x44 AO MC and CONQUEST 6.5-20x50 AO MC. Easy-to-use reticle adjustment with � MOA = 0.7 cm per click at 100 m allows quick and precise sighting in. Large square reticle adjustment range - elevation and windage adjustments do not affect each other even at the ends of the adjustment ranges. Long eye relief of 4" with the CONQUEST 3-9x40 MC and 3.5" with the other scope models. Continuous eyepiece focusing from +2 to -3 diopters. No change in the point of impact after power change or re-focusing. Carl Zeiss MC multi-coating on all glass-to-air surfaces for maximum transmission (markedly above 90 %), color fidelity and brilliance. Waterproof in compliance with ISO 9022-8 - even with elevation caps removed. Nitrogen filling to prevent fogging on the inner lens surfaces. Lifetime Transferrable Warranty #2 the papertowel roll is a 1.83" diameter brown tube made of formed hard paper. it offers no adjustments or paralax correction and has no lens to coat. furthermore finding rings to fit it is nearly impossible. while the lack of nitrogen purging leaves the tube unable to keep water out, it is note that likewise water will not remain in. this unintentional feature make the tube clear even after a dunk in water, for a second or so. the test parameters. weight, glare, cost, color rendition, paralax adjustment consistancy and cost/ warranty. weight, the hands down winner is the paper towel tube. w/o a doubt it weighs so little that you hardly notice it. points to the tube. glare, again points to the tube. in its matte brown tectured finish there was no glare to speak of not even when held in direct sunlight. color rendition, while the zeiss showed a wonderfull light enhancment ability the tube won. the colors seemed so lifelike it was hard to belive that it could have been improved upon. paralax, while the zeiss showed only the most minimal of paralax adjustment from 3-9 and only at ranges of 300 yards or better the tube never showed shift from POI all the way out to 500 yard. amazing! cost with an average cost of $399.99 (List Price:$453.00) the zeiss is certainly not the most expensive optic on the market and offers good value when compared to other euorpean optics, the winner again is hands down the cardboard tube. for an amount so small to be unmeasurabe i could equip every rifle i own w/ a tube for less than 1/100th of the cost of the zeiss. summary while the cardboard tube caused some concerns in the begining it really shined in the test. there was no reticle provided so one was fashioned out of a toothpick colored w/ a sharpie. not dissimilar to a german #1. as mentioned earlier the tube has no adjustments, much like the balavar scopes, but in the end came out to not have any tracking problems either. the zeiss was heavier, cost more and much to complicated for most folks to use. improvements we would like to see... we would like to see another type of finish on the tube. perhaps some green or blk to make a camo finish would be nice. as well we are working on a lit reticle for the tube using 8 pound test Cajun Red fishing line and a live lightning bug. well save those results for the next test. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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lost my wallet once upon a time, some cash, the hassle of a new DL, credit cards the whole wazzo.
Bass Pro called me to confirm my credit card order (WTF?)
got the address here in FBKS where it was to be shipped to, an apartment off Aurora.
The guy had ordered a scope and some camo clothes, I took the paper towel tube put saran wrap on it and drew a reticle with magic marker. took an old t-shirt and used some green and brown marker on it and packaged it all up and left it on his doorstep, scrawled with from Bass Pro.
I thought it was funny as hell, poor bastid must have pizzed someone off worse than me, his car looked like it'd been through the wringer, broken glass and dents everywhere, hadn't looked like that when I was scouting the place out.
Oh well karma's a beatch.
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I'm off for a quick little BP scouting trip. I'm thinkin' the fishing will be good too.
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I reserve comment until "E" has his say!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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while the cardboard tube caused some concerns in the begining it really shined in the test. there was no reticle provided so one was fashioned out of a toothpick colored w/ a sharpie. not dissimilar to a german #1. ROFLMAO! Sounds like a product test from "Shooting Guns and Riflemen" magazine. BMT
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At last! An objective, definitive test that emphasizes the fact that a scope is first and foremost an aiming tool and that the quality of the optics is not the most important feature. As we can see, ease of operation, light weight, eyebox and waterproofing are what make a superior scope. Thank heavens. The debate is over. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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now that was a hoot. well done.
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I would like to point out that the one aspect not dealt with in this review is the durabilty of each optic. Clearly this would have to go to the Zeiss as the first rainstorm will destroy the paper towel tube.
A potential alternate (though admittedly a bit heavier and slightly more expensive than the paper towel tube) would be a short peice of PVC pipe. Careful searching might even turn up one with an outside diameter of 1" which would allow its use with standard rings.
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a toilet paper tube, sprayed with polyurethane to protect against the elements, would be just the thing for a short-action stalking rig. you cannot beat the eye relief.
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How in the #@!! do you focus a paper towel tube correctly!
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I've found that the Bounty tubes will outperform any of the "run of the mill" tubes, though they all outperform Zeiss in the eyebox department... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
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How in the #@!! do you focus a paper towel tube correctly! Move your head back and forth. BMT
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no need to move your head. focus is infinite. so is eye relief. you can mount it scout style - or normal. that is brilliant optical engineering, in my view. and if recoil sends the tube into your eyebrow bone, no worries. just straighten out the tube and go on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> as for turrets, that's a no-go. could be the thing's only drawback. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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at least the paper towl tube will transmit 100% of the light..no need for AO adjustments. and will guarentee to miss every shot.....sounds like a deal to me..
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Did you use Index Matched Saran Wrap at each end like the boys in Oregon do.
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How much light do you lose when it passes through two sheets of Saran Wrap?...................Hey where is Saran Wrap made?.............It is getting close to Christmas so colored Saran wrap should be available for different field conditions.
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if eye relief is a problem, you can always use the tube from a toilet paper roll. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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This is just unbelievable funny! The optics forum is definately the BEST!
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That would work for a handgun scope test. One test at a time. I'll eat a big breakfest if that will speed things up though.
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