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They would likely have classified Birdwatcher as a Statist or Monarchist (this more so in Europe): One who supports the overarching power of a government to maintain order and protect the rights (either actual or perceived) of the people by force of law or martially.

The states rights arguments were there from the outset. Slavery came into the fore for the North later as the war ground on

Birdwatcher=Republican

Bristoe=Democrat

Sorry Bristoe

A government that insists on preserving the Union is a government that insists on holding power over its people.

How so?

Birdwatcher would have fought to preserve the Union, as was the stated objective of the vast majority on the Union side..... nothing more. And like almost everyone today, he could NEVER have fought for a Constitution that enshrined for perpetuity the enslavement of four million Southerners.

As for the rest, you're actually saying an Irish Catholic was a Monarchist.... (OK, there are some that were )

My own sentiments on that matter were best stated by a certain fictional Irishman before Little Round Top....

"I'm Kilrain, and I damn all gentlemen."

...to understand this, it helps immensely if one has any familiarity with the old British class system.

Birdwatcher

Everyone talks about "the government or "a government", what if more than half the United States thought that the Union as it existed was worth preserving, period. Lincoln did not act alone.

Birdwatcher

Sorry Mike, You can't devote your entire life working for the State in one form or other, and claim to be an anarchist or revolutionary.

I wonder how the Spanish court of that time would deal with us here at the Campfire?

I am thinking exile to a life at hard labor in a penal colony.

And Bristoe is the prototype "lazy revolutionary". [here's what y'all oughta be raisin' hell about]

Pretty good fit for Mr. Bear's categories, I'd say.

What if more than half wanted you to give your house to an illegal immigrant?

Everyone talks about "the government or "a government", what if more than half the United States thought that the Union as it existed was worth preserving, period. Lincoln did not act alone.

Birdwatcher

...but, more than half of us already supports abortion on demand, I ain't gonna go propose dividing the Union over it.

I think it is referred to as Tyranny by majority.

The North was making good money off the South while contributing little.

"Preserving the Union" was holding captive an entire region who wanted no part of that Union any longer.

Even today... should this generation of Texans be inseparably bound to 49 other States because of treaties or laws passed by previous generations?

If you say that Texas exists only as one of the United States of America, then you have no argument for the USA claiming any Sovereignty among the other nations of planet earth.

What's your fascination with the Union?,...

I just can't see any benefit to the Union at this point.

We pray each night you Texans will secede.

Still hasn't happened.



Travis

I think we are all flattered you have even been reading this thread.

Admitting that you contemplate my actions is proof enough that you're not fully retarded. Yet.




Travis