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No! The entire logistics and embarkation to Cuba was a cluster***k!
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
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is being polite. It was an unmitigated disaster of epizootic proportions.
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If we move ahead a few years. I would like to throw out one of the miracles of the punitive campaign against Villa. Govt. Purchasers were able to get new Quad trucks and Ford TT's from Wisconsin to Columbus NM by train in 48 hours!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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The Philippine campaign was probably America's worst hour.
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Attention Gentleman, he served on Samar!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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If we move ahead a few years. I would like to throw out one of the miracles of the punitive campaign against Villa. Govt. Purchasers were able to get new Quad trucks and Ford TT's from Wisconsin to Columbus NM by train in 48 hours! Somebody understood logistics. I doubt that government purchasers could pull that off today.
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The Philippine campaign was probably America's worst hour. Probably so. I suspect you refer to the one against the Phillipinos/Moros. And not the first campaign against the Spanish.
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Attention Gentleman, he served on Samar! I love a gentleman and a scholar.  Have you seen this? Another good addition to the reading list. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/usmchist/samar.txt
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Here is yet another question that gave my students fits in the post-bellum lectures:
Did the US military learn any lessons from the Civil War that helped them in the Spanish American War?
Were they more/better prepared for major military operations in the spring of 1898 than they were in the spring of 1861? Use comparison and contrast to examine this issue in detail. Yes, and no. We had no clue what we were going up against as far as advanced weaponry (bolt action rifles) and were still stuck in the musket era as far as infantry weapons. We had no clue how to do amphibious invasions. We still had no clue how to do light infantry assaults or use of unconventional tactics/combatants (RoughRiders figured that out, along with better weaponry). We had an advantage when in came to some assault tactics and especially in assaults on fortified defenses and use of trenches. However, this was essentially a draw with what the Spaniards brought to the table. By far, our greatest advancement and advantage was in the use of ironclad warships. We learned very quickly that wooden vessels were no match for iron clads and that proved decisive against the Spanish. Thumbnail sketch of a much larger and longer topic.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Since we are discussing the Philippine Insurrection here is a good book to read: http://www.amazon.com/Guerrilla-War...6280226&sr=1-8&keywords=pershing
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Yes. Looked it over a while back. Pretty cool stuff
On another note, had an old hunting bud who's grand dad lost his left arm to a Moro's kris!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Yes. Looked it over a while back. Pretty cool stuff
On another note, had an old hunting bud who's grand dad lost his left arm to a Moro's kris! Did you ever get to talk to that fellow any about his experiences?
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HHB,
If you come to Quemado and I have a bit of Rebecca Creek, I'll sing all four verses of "Damn, Damn, Damn, the Phillipinos" for you!!!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Yes. Looked it over a while back. Pretty cool stuff
On another note, had an old hunting bud who's grand dad lost his left arm to a Moro's kris! Did you ever get to talk to that fellow any about his experiences? No he died in the 40's. Long before my time!! Wifey had a Phillipino care giver that would come here to the house. He loved firearms. I drug out my Krag and bayonet for him. He had to have his photo made with it! He was a cool guy!!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Member: Clan of the Turdlike People.
Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers
�If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.� Ronald Reagan.
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I like the fact that Pershing was dating Patton's sister in 1915/16. Now you know how he got on his staff in Mexico!!!
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Did you also know there was an assassination plot headed by the state dept to poison Pancho Villa? The co-conspirators were two Japanese businessmen. They were to give him small doses of poison until it built up enough in his system to kill him. They even experimented on a dog. But they chickened out in the end
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Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison?
And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools,
Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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Birdwatcher=Republican
Bristoe=Democrat
Sorry Bristoe The Democrats back then were a LOT different than they are today. Back then and today, both promoted slavery of the black.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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HHB,
If you come to Quemado and I have a bit of Rebecca Creek, I'll sing all four verses of "Damn, Damn, Damn, the Phillipinos" for you!!! Now that would be an experience. 
Member: Clan of the Turdlike People.
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Birdwatcher=Republican
Bristoe=Democrat
Sorry Bristoe The Democrats back then were a LOT different than they are today. Back then and today, both promoted slavery of the black. They do have that in common.
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