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Another question that stumped the students on the Spanish American War.
What caused the Spanish American War to break out? Alfred Thayer Mahan
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There was also another smaller conflict that broke out in 1900 that is often overlooked. The Boxer Rebellion. Exactly. Lots of stuff going on, and who is to say what would have happened to our own imperial Manifest Destiny expansion (something a lot of folks here with issues outside our shores conveniently hide behind Manifest Destiny that was nothing more than imperial expansion and destruction of several native geopolitical entities (Indian Nations)) had the North and South competed for the Territories, coupled with all the unrest in Mexico? The Brits, although siding with the South for obvious reasons, would (and did) changed sides to suit their own national interests. Like I said, all conjecture, but at least in my view, the United States didn't turn out so bad, that is until my aforementioned stuff happened.
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Another question that stumped the students on the Spanish American War.
What caused the Spanish American War to break out? Alfred Thayer Mahan ???
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Another question that stumped the students on the Spanish American War.
What caused the Spanish American War to break out? They sank our battleship. Did the Spanish really sink the Maine?
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Pretty good website on the Spanish American war: http://www.spanamwar.com/index.htm
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What caused the Spanish American War to break out? Yellow journalism, followed by an internal explosion on the Maine, followed by more yellow journalism.
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It was actually a homemade batch of black market "Coobun" hot sauce that went up that sent the Maine to the bottom.
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What caused the Spanish American War to break out? Yellow journalism, followed by an internal explosion on the Maine, followed by more yellow journalism. The press role in the outbreak of war was far, far larger than it should have been.
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The US Navy investigators should have paid a lot more attention to the Spanish report on the Maine.
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Here is yet another question that gave my students fits in the post-bellum lectures:
Did the US military learn any lessons from the Civil War that helped them in the Spanish American War?
Were they more/better prepared for major military operations in the spring of 1898 than they were in the spring of 1861? Use comparison and contrast to examine this issue in detail. Yes, and no. We had no clue what we were going up against as far as advanced weaponry (bolt action rifles) and were still stuck in the musket era as far as infantry weapons. We had no clue how to do amphibious invasions. We still had no clue how to do light infantry assaults or use of unconventional tactics/combatants (RoughRiders figured that out, along with better weaponry). We had an advantage when in came to some assault tactics and especially in assaults on fortified defenses and use of trenches. However, this was essentially a draw with what the Spaniards brought to the table. By far, our greatest advancement and advantage was in the use of ironclad warships. We learned very quickly that wooden vessels were no match for iron clads and that proved decisive against the Spanish. Thumbnail sketch of a much larger and longer topic. This. Especially when you consider the number of Spaniards holding San Juan and Kettle Hills.... and don't forget the German advisers and their Krupp cannon and Maxim guns. There was a considerable bit of artistic license concerning these two items in the movie earlier mentioned by JoeBob. ( hell in the movie there were t even Kruppe they were 75 mm French Puteaux guns).
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There was a considerable bit of artistic license concerning these two items in the movie earlier mentioned by JoeBob. ( hell in the movie there were t even Kruppe they were 75 mm French Puteaux guns). During the scenes of the American advance there are several British SMLE in the hands on the Rough Riders and other troops. There is also a left hand conversion Krag in the mix.
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There was a considerable bit of artistic license concerning these two items in the movie earlier mentioned by JoeBob. ( hell in the movie there were t even Kruppe they were 75 mm French Puteaux guns). During the scenes of the American advance there are several British SMLE in the hands on the Rough Riders and other troops. There is also a left hand conversion Krag in the mix. Hmmmm dunno about the SMLE's. I knew the reenactor coordinator on that movie. He was pretty strict. However you never know what props will come up with. I've seen the same LH Krag scene. That is a flipped frame. Bad editing.
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There was a considerable bit of artistic license concerning these two items in the movie earlier mentioned by JoeBob. ( hell in the movie there were t even Kruppe they were 75 mm French Puteaux guns). During the scenes of the American advance there are several British SMLE in the hands on the Rough Riders and other troops. There is also a left hand conversion Krag in the mix. Hmmmm dunno about the SMLE's. I knew the reenactor coordinator on that movie. He was pretty strict. However you never know what props will come up with. I've seen the same LH Krag scene. That is a flipped frame. Bad editing. The SMLE is in the scene just before the LH Krag. Looks like the extras instead of a reenactor.
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Probably the case. lots of bodies got pulled off the street to fill deep background back in the day before computer stuff.
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That is exactly what that shot looks like. A large background/crowd shot.
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I thought the American artillerists in the movie did a really good job. I suspect those boys are some serious renactors.
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Oh, I got a dvd copy of the Rough Riders and put it in the department film library. It drove the liberals nuts because it didn't speak out against Imperialism enough and it had all the guns in it.
Seriously, these people think you can make a war movie without guns.
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I thought the American artillerists in the movie did a really good job. I suspect those boys are some serious renactors. Actually they were extremely authentic to what was actually present! What would have been cool would have been a recreation of one of the dynamite guns made up for use on land!!!!
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