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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
Another exam question:

Who was the highest ranking US civilian authority in Cuba at the outbreak of war with Spain in the spring of 1898?


This one has me stumped. But I am now getting oil changed i. Wifey's car and my best book on the subject is on my nightstand. I was going to say Frederick Funston. But there had to be someone there hightre than him. And he actually was military. In a sense.


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Unless it was the Ambassador to Spain, I haven't a clue either. Something tells me, though, that it was a rather politically influential and rather privately wealthy businessman.


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And that really opens up the possibilities!!!

Changing the subject;

Back to punitive expedition to Mexico. A recently uncovered statment made by Col. Slocum ( commanded the forces at Columbus March 1916) to another army officer stated that the real reason for Villa's raid on Columbus was to kidnap (Slocums) wife for ransom. She was the daughter of a back east millionaire. And Slocum and Villa knew each other well.

Slocum made this comment at a dinner party in 1927. In total confidence to the officer. He stated no reason for this other that his own Intel at the time. He had long sense retired from service.


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Unless it was the Ambassador to Spain, I haven't a clue either. Something tells me, though, that it was a rather politically influential and rather privately wealthy businessman.



Ever hear of a fellow named Fitzhugh Lee? He was US Consul General in Havana when the war broke out.


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Yeah. The Marine one was a gimmie! wink.

Always liked ol' Gimlet Eye! We had a pup named for him! He was a little scrapper too!



Butler didn't win the MOH in the Boxer Rebellion. Though nominated by regulation Marine officers were not allowed to receive the MOH at that time.

He won the first in Veracruz in 1914 and the second in Haiti in 1915

http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_1900_wars/mx_butler_smedley.html


http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2455/butler-smedley-darlington.php

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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
And that really opens up the possibilities!!!

Changing the subject;

Back to punitive expedition to Mexico. A recently uncovered statment made by Col. Slocum ( commanded the forces at Columbus March 1916) to another army officer stated that the real reason for Villa's raid on Columbus was to kidnap (Slocums) wife for ransom. She was the daughter of a back east millionaire. And Slocum and Villa knew each other well.

Slocum made this comment at a dinner party in 1927. In total confidence to the officer. He stated no reason for this other that his own Intel at the time. He had long sense retired from service.



Now, this is interesting.


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Oops. My bad!

Vera Cruz??? Interesting incident. Germany did not breach the Monroe Doctrine on a technicality. But why let a good incident go to waste.


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Oops. My bad!

Vera Cruz??? Interesting incident. Germany did not breach the Monroe Doctrine on a technicality. But why let a good incident go to waste.



The Germans were very active in Mexico.


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This fellow, Navy Coxswain John McCloy, won his first MOH in the Boxer Rebellion and his second at Veracruz.


http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2318/mccloy-john.php


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Yep. That's the reason why accordions, tubas, and essentially polka music are such a part of Mexican culture. Weirdest damned combo going.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
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Yep. That's the reason why accordions, tubas, and essentially polka music are such a part of Mexican culture. Weirdest damned combo going.


Hey, I like Mexican polka. grin


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Originally Posted by hillbillybear

This fellow, Navy Coxswain John McCloy, won his first MOH in the Boxer Rebellion and his second at Veracruz.


http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/2318/mccloy-john.php


Him Navy; him not Marine (even if he was a badass).


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By 1916 it was estimated there were between 5000 and 7000 german advisors in Mexico.


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Originally Posted by 4ager
Yep. That's the reason why accordions, tubas, and essentially polka music are such a part of Mexican culture. Weirdest damned combo going.


Hey, I like Mexican polka. grin


Figures.


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Originally Posted by kaywoodie
By 1916 it was estimated there were between 5000 and 7000 german advisors in Mexico.


"Advisors"... Now where have we heard that term before?


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I can also appreciate the media playing up the mexican army sending water purification units to New Orleans after Katrina. I remember the newscaster stating " This is the first time since1847 that the Mexican Army has been on US soil!"

LOL! Ok I'm not counting the times here recently that they have made incursions here into texas as of late, but Woodrow Wilson allowed several regiments of Federales to travel by train. On US soil from New Mexico to Douglas Ariz. In fall of 1915 to flank Villa's forces dug in across the border at Agua Preita. And to top it off officials on this side of the border set up search lights to assist theFederales with night time attacks on the Villastas.
Another good reason for Villa to set his sights on Columbus.


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Originally Posted by hillbillybear

I will probably live to regret posting the following but here goes anyway.


There has been a lot posted on the Civil War on the Campfire lately. Some good, some bad, and a bunch that is really stupid and absurd.

In terms of a historical event there have been more barrels of ink and reams of paper spent on the War Between the States than almost any other single thing in American History.

Since I am an Historian by professional training I have thought I might post some on how you can develop a better understanding of the events surrounding the Civil War if you are interested in doing some work and digging on your own.

Be forewarned there is an absolute Himalayan mountain range amount of material to sift through. A few quick internet searches are not going to get you anything but mostly perplexed and disgusted. Forget finding a single cause for the war because there is NO single overriding cause. Nor will you find a consensus list of causes. The Civil War is simply too complex an event for that.

The first step I would suggest is to see how the Civil War fits into the continuum of history. To do this you are going to have to begin with a clear understanding of the events prior to the outbreak of hostilities.

To this end I would suggest using 1861 as a starting date and go back at least 50 years. Once there begin with a well done textbook on American History. I would recommend the following volume:

http://www.amazon.com/America-Narrative-George-Browm-Tindall/dp/0393974421

It is one of the best ever compiled. Read it and take notes.

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While the Confederate Battle Flag is an historical relic, other issues have clouded its history. Given that it has been used by the KKK and other hate groups, it's role in history has been greatly tarnished and is seen as insulting to many Americans. It needs to be replaced.



Spoken like a true liberal.


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Yep. That's the reason why accordions, tubas, and essentially polka music are such a part of Mexican culture. Weirdest damned combo going.


Hey, I like Mexican polka. grin


Figures.



You mean yo don't like a good Mexican Polka. grin


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