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My God, if that ship could talk...


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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Originally Posted by Pete E
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Very interesting sidenote;

When the book was written the Graf Von Gotzen was still in service on Lake Tanganika. This was 2004. Dunno if she is still running now. Coal burners removed and Diesel engines installed at some point. This was the ship that was the inspiration for the Luisa in the African Queen.


She is now called the MV Liemba and is still in service. In fact in spring of this year, she was apparently used by the UN during an evacuation of refugees.



That is some service life. I am glad she is still going strong.


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Another one for the reading list:


Kermit Roosevelt: War in the Garden of Eden


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Here is the German who treated Hitler like some kind of miscreant and got away with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_von_Mackensen

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WWI trivia.

Who was the British, Hunter, engineer, colonial official, war vet and officer that Hemingway used as his basis for his story, "The Short An Happy Life Of Francis Macomber"? Story was based on an incident that occurred where this individual was directly involved.

Hint there was a popular movie a few years ago about several of this mans achievements before the Great War.


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Here are a couple exam questions that drove my students nuts on exams:


Why were the casualty rates so horrific in WWI?


Name three new technologies that affected the shaping of the battlefield and strategy in WWI. Discuss each in detail.


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Originally Posted by Pete E
John Patterson! smile


Well done Pete!!

Know who he was the godfather of????


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John Patterson! smile


Well done Pete!!

Know who he was the godfather of????


No, you got me with that one?

Whatever happened to at Patterson after the "unexplained" death?

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Nothing happened to him.

He was the godfather of the Netanyahu boys!


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Originally Posted by hillbillybear

Why were the casualty rates so horrific in WWI?


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Why were the casualty rates so horrific in WWI?


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I dunno if tanks were deployed in enough numbers and used in a way that meets your criteria, but the exploits of "Musical Box" (Whippet 344) are worth a look. Accounts say this one intrepid crew of three killed "hundreds" of Germans.

A Whippet.... three guys, four .303 machine guns, two double-decker bus engines, 8 mph wide open.

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The crew of Whippet number 344 under the command of Lt. C. B. Arnold performed the greatest mechanical cavalry charge of the war. Moving off at zero hour on the 8th August with the rest of the troops across that sector, they passed the railway at Villiers-Bretonneux and somehow became detached from the main force. Arnold became aware of a force of Mark V tanks and Australian Infantry under fire from German artillery. Arnold attacked without hesitation, first passing in front of the German guns and then to the rear peppering the gun positions with machine gun fire. The timely attack by Arnold allowed the Australian infantry to move forward. For the next 9 hours Arnold and his crew attacked German rear positions, infantry, and wagons. They dispersed a whole battalion of infantry in a camp between Bayonvillers and Harbonnieres, destroyed an observation balloon and a transport column of the German 225.Division.

Following unremitting attack upon the Germans, the conditions inside Arnold's Whippet became so difficult that the crew used the mouthpieces of their gasmasks for breathing. The destruction of 'Musical Box' came when the Germans cornered Arnold's tank and set it ablaze with artillery fire. Baling out of the burning wreck, the driver was shot and Arnold and the remaining crewman were taken prisoner.


Now THAT would be a story.... cool

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You know!!! Fetchez la Vache!!!!



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Originally Posted by hillbillybear
Here are a couple exam questions that drove my students nuts on exams:


Why were the casualty rates so horrific in WWI?


Name three new technologies that affected the shaping of the battlefield and strategy in WWI. Discuss each in detail.


Tanks, nerve gas and machine guns?

The casualty rates were so high because there weren't any effective countermeasures to these new technologies. Everyone literally dug in and kept flogging each other.

**The above answers are all just guesses............which is how I survived my freshman year in college when I forgot to study for an exams. blush grin


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Gas really didn't kill too many people. It was almost as much danger to the side using it as the side it was aimed at.

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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Gas really didn't kill too many people. It was almost as much danger to the side using it as the side it was aimed at.


^^^this^^^^^


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Aero planes, wireless communications, mechanize land vehicles.


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Machine guns, barbed wire and greatly improved artillery guns.


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Geography and Industrialisation..

This was the first modern war that was fought between two highly industrialised nations (and their allies) where the geography of the Western Front permitted both sides to relatively easily pour all their resources into it at will.

The three technologies:

Modern communications ie the trench telephone system and the telegraph plus to a lesser extent, "wireless"

The Machine Gun

The Tank

Edited to add the U-Boat..perhaps not directly affecting the Western Front but in a wider sense it was a strategic weapon for the Germans that almost won them the war..

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