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The giant pink elephant in the room is that you Southerners are still so pizzed off about being subjugated by the North, yet you don't think blacks have any cause to be pizzed because they were enslaved. Hypocritcal azzholes x 1,000,000.

Ah, so we return to the "ends justify the means" excuse. Stalin would be proud.

When were YOU freed, Blackheart? Are YOU allowed to vote?

My State, Texas, was still being singled out by the Courts, as recently as the last election, for non-existent voting rights violations that trace directly to Reconstruction.

Ya. Assuming that Stalin would have been proud and thankful that there was a powerful and united United States of America willing to die to preserve freedom in Europe, forming an effective counterweight to his brutal ambitions.

Stalin also would have been proud if he would have been happy to see Russian Communism broken upon the rock of Ronald Reagan's United States of America.

Birdwatcher

By a ratio of two to one, most Americans at the time disagreed.

But the issue was never put to a popular vote before all Americans, or even put before the Supreme Court.

The South, after participating in the election of '60, did not like the results and collectively decided to destroy the country as most Americans at the time understood it.

Birdwatcher

Whether you intend it, or even realize it, this idea of "right and wrong" permeates every discussion of the War you engage in on this forum

You dismiss the Rebel soldiers as "useful idiots of the Rich Planters".

2 to 1 what poll did those number come from? 2 to 1 has nothing to do with constitutional.

Are you actually suggesting that notions of "right and wrong" did not permeate every discussion of the War among those folks who were actually engaged in it?

Both sides believed they were right, that being the tragedy of the thing.



Where did I do this?

Although the question of 'dying to preserve the rich man's slaves' did often crop up as an issue across the South, especially after the application of the Confederate Draft Laws in '62.

There were many personal reasons on both side why a guy on either side would choose repeatedly to brave a storm of Minie balls and the awful consequences thereof.

I did suggest that if one accepts the notion that the Union soldier was merely Lincoln's stooge, this certainly applies in spades to the Southern soldier re: the uniformly wealthy Planter CLass leadership.

In fact if slavery was a poison that blighted everything it touched, the same might be said of the whole Southern Planter class. Look at the effect they had on the collective Antebellum South.

Birdwatcher

Odd (well, not really) how Mike keeps harping on the "wealthy planter class" of the South - who FOUGHT - and yet he says nothing about the wealthy industrial class in the North who bought themselves and their sons out of service by contribution to the Union coffers and payment of an Irish, Italian, or German immigrant to die in their place.

He is now accusing the "wealthy white planter class" of being a blight on the South/society. Not a peep about the Yankee industrialists, though. Hypocrisy at its finest, to say the least, and certainly trying to force "white guilt" upon any son of the South.

More of that intellectual dishonesty from the HS "teacher".

Don't know why you bother to put yourself out there to be the target of vile personal attacks. What purpose does it serve? The American Civil War ended over 150 years ago. The outcome was decided on the field of battle. Nothing done, felt, or said today can change history. Nothing.

2 to 1 what poll did those number come from?

to 1 has nothing to do with constitutional

Odd (well, not really) how Mike keeps harping on the "wealthy planter class" of the South - who FOUGHT - and yet he says nothing about the wealthy industrial class in the North who bought themselves and their sons out of service by contribution to the Union coffers and payment of an Irish, Italian, or German immigrant to die in their place.

He is now accusing the "wealthy white planter class" of being a blight on the South/society. Not a peep about the Yankee industrialists, though. Hypocrisy at its finest, to say the least, and certainly trying to force "white guilt" upon any son of the South.

More of that intellectual dishonesty from the HS "teacher".

Free population of the whole US 1860 ~ 28 million.

Free population of the future Confederate States 1860 ~ 9 million.

28 million total - 9 million free Southerners = 19 million in the Free States.

19 million/9 million is pretty much 2 to 1.



The majority clearly disagreed.

The most correct way of doing this would have been to muster the votes to get an Amendment on the issue, one way or the other.

Birdwatcher

Factual history will show the wealthy northern industrialist in a far worse light than any southern.

Free population of the whole US 1860 ~ 28 million.

Free population of the future Confederate States 1860 ~ 9 million.

28 million total - 9 million free Southerners = 19 million in the Free States.

19 million/9 million is pretty much 2 to 1.



The majority clearly disagreed.

The most correct way of doing this would have been to muster the votes to get an Amendment on the issue, one way or the other.

Birdwatcher

Gene,

Black heart has admitted time and again he's only here to troll. He's a NYS unionista damnyankee troll and worth less in a conversation than Birdwatcher.

You never get anything right. Dumbfugg.

Don't know why you bother to put yourself out there to be the target of vile personal attacks. What purpose does it serve?

Facts have never mattered to Mike. He is only interested in an agenda (now, what does that sound like to you?).