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the battle to stop the idiots in richmond inside the vdgif from ruining va. hunting . Whoa..... Ho'kay..... yeah, VDGIF has been on an agenda to "ruin" hunting in Virginia. Yep, and the numbers prove it, right? Total for Virginia 1947 4019 Total for Virginia 1948 5162 Total for Virginia 1949 6910 Total for Virginia 1950 5699 Total for Virginia 1951 7230 Total for Virginia 1952 10874 Total for Virginia 1953 11797 Total for Virginia 1954 14079 Total for Virginia 1955 14227 Total for Virginia 1956 20855 Total for Virginia 1957 22473 Total for Virginia 1958 26841 Total for Virginia 1959 28969 Total for Virginia 1960 36145 Total for Virginia 1961 32875 Total for Virginia 1962 38838 Total for Virginia 1963 38391 Total for Virginia 1964 31179 Total for Virginia 1965 27983 Total for Virginia 1966 26156 Total for Virginia 1967 24934 Total for Virginia 1968 28041 Total for Virginia 1969 34150 Total for Virginia 1970 38138 Total for Virginia 1971 42369 Total for Virginia 1972 48775 Total for Virginia 1973 60789 Total for Virginia 1974 61989 Total for Virginia 1975 63443 Total for Virginia 1976 63671 Total for Virginia 1977 67059 Total for Virginia 1978 72545 Total for Virginia 1979 69940 Total for Virginia 1980 75208 Total for Virginia 1981 78388 Total for Virginia 1982 88540 Total for Virginia 1983 85783 Total for Virginia 1984 84432 Total for Virginia 1985 101425 Total for Virginia 1986 121801 Total for Virginia 1987 119309 Total for Virginia 1988 114562 Total for Virginia 1989 135094 Total for Virginia 1990 160411 Total for Virginia 1991 179344 Total for Virginia 1992 200446 Total for Virginia 1993 201122 Total for Virginia 1994 209373 Total for Virginia 1995 218476 Total for Virginia 1996 209743 Total for Virginia 1997 198561 Total for Virginia 1998 179027 Total for Virginia 1999 190043 Total for Virginia 2000 187878 Total for Virginia 2001 215872 Total for Virginia 2002 214847 Total for Virginia 2003 237035 Total for Virginia 2004 221492 Total for Virginia 2005 215082 Total for Virginia 2006 223775 Total for Virginia 2007 242792 Total for Virginia 2008 256382 Total for Virginia 2009 259147 Total for Virginia 2010 222074 Total for Virginia 2011 233104 Total for Virginia 2012 215241 Total for Virginia 2013 244440 Total for Virginia 2014 192186
http://www.dgif.virginia.gov/wildlife/deer/harvest/index.aspYep, those numbers from the first VDGIF deer season in 1947 through the last numbers from the 2014 season show that VDGIF is trying t ruin hunting in VA; those bastards. (sarcasm font off). We only have more deer than at almost any time in history (save for the herd recovering from two/three disease outbreaks and a mast crop failure), more bear, more turkey, more publicly accessible lands, more tags, and better PR in the state for hunters than at any time in history as well. Oh, and a Constitutional amendment to protect our right to hunt (that VDGIF supported), too. If that's "ruining it", I'll take it. we fought from 2004 -2010 to stop them and the DEQ killing off all the fish in our river systems. we put in lots of hours to get laws changed to stop the dumping of garbage along the rivers and to get sewage treatment plants filtration of discharge water upgraded. fishing is getting better now. Who the Hell is this mysterious "we" and WTF are you talking about with VDGIF and DEQ trying to dump garbage in the streams and them NOT supporting the sewage treatment plant upgrades? You've come up with some ludicrous schit in this thread so far, but damn, that might take the cake. if you want to see how bad the state will lie to you then you shoulda been in those meetings.if it weren't for a few good people that had some pull in the state we would have never gotten anything changed. Again, who is this mysterious "we"? we already have the state hunting split into eastern and western regions. That split has been in place since the early 80s, at least. Ain't no way that mysterious "we" can claim that, or that it's recent. its a real PITA sometimes to keep up with all the rule changes from county to county,but we really need more changes in certain areas to control bear populations.
happy hunting. Considering that you've already stated that the group you hunt with doesn't give a damn about rules (refusing to check in 1/2 of the deer they take), why the Hell are you bitching about rules? Considering VDGIF's track record of managing game populations in the Commonwealth, they'll have a better handle on bear populations than you give them credit for - and it's still just as easy to take a bear now as it was before (buy the damned Sportsman license, just like before). I never thought I'd meet a VA hunter who bitched as inconsistently and with as little factual support as a PA hunter, but I guess there's always one.
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we are the group of hunters and fishermen that do not want to see thing go down hill any more then it already has. people who actively fight the state when they lie to us over and over about things are being dumped into our rivers .
the state DID NOT support sewage treatment plant discharge upgrades and infact lied to everyone for 4-5 years about the fish kill problems we have on the shenandoah and james rivers.we fought and got the turkey and chicken litter dumping rules changed to better control the runoff into our rivers. we also fought them in meetings where they would just plain lie to groups of people that were concerned about fish kills along the shenandoah river. they actually showed pictures of pets being walked and them crapping on pavement at a newly opened mall in waynesboro and blamed this on the fish kills.
at the same meetings they posted a map of the river system that clearly showed the bacteria levels along every section of river. there own maps showed 8% average bacteria levels above most sewage treatment discharge pipes and a increase to a average of 35% below the plants.ofcourse they said this wasn't a problem.they lied and lied til we got tired of listening to the lies. at the same time they were issuing permits to dump way to many biosolids (human dry waste from sewage treatment plants that is used for fertilizer on farms)along the banks of the rivers. i finally contacted the ward burton foundation about the sewage treatment plants discharges now putting clean enough water back in our rivers. ward was then on the governors board and the game commission board. he agreed that we needed to fix this problem and began to push to fix the problem. after 2 years of pushing them we started to see sewage treatment plants upgraded on the shenandoah and now the fishing is getting better.don't tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about when it comes to fish kills on the shenandoah river because i spent 5 years doing nothing but fighting to have this fixed. all along staying in almost daily contact with our regional bioligist at the verona office. we were finding sores on bass everytime we fished and reporting conditions along the river daily. at the time i had a custom built jet boat and was fishing most of the troubled areas weekly.we also set up stations along the river to do weekly water samples to see if anything was changing.the river is finally getting better after a long fight with the state.
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we are the group of hunters and fishermen that do not want to see thing go down hill any more then it already has. people who actively fight the state when they lie to us over and over about things are being dumped into our rivers .
the state DID NOT support sewage treatment plant discharge upgrades and infact lied to everyone for 4-5 years about the fish kill problems we have on the shenandoah and james rivers.we fought and got the turkey and chicken litter dumping rules changed to better control the runoff into our rivers. we also fought them in meetings where they would just plain lie to groups of people that were concerned about fish kills along the shenandoah river. they actually showed pictures of pets being walked and them crapping on pavement at a newly opened mall in waynesboro and blamed this on the fish kills.
at the same meetings they posted a map of the river system that clearly showed the bacteria levels along every section of river. there own maps showed 8% average bacteria levels above most sewage treatment discharge pipes and a increase to a average of 35% below the plants.ofcourse they said this wasn't a problem.they lied and lied til we got tired of listening to the lies. at the same time they were issuing permits to dump way to many biosolids (human dry waste from sewage treatment plants that is used for fertilizer on farms)along the banks of the rivers. i finally contacted the ward burton foundation about the sewage treatment plants discharges now putting clean enough water back in our rivers. ward was then on the governors board and the game commission board. he agreed that we needed to fix this problem and began to push to fix the problem. after 2 years of pushing them we started to see sewage treatment plants upgraded on the shenandoah and now the fishing is getting better.don't tell me that i don't know what i'm talking about when it comes to fish kills on the shenandoah river because i spent 5 years doing nothing but fighting to have this fixed. all along staying in almost daily contact with our regional bioligist at the verona office. we were finding sores on bass everytime we fished and reporting conditions along the river daily. at the time i had a custom built jet boat and was fishing most of the troubled areas weekly.we also set up stations along the river to do weekly water samples to see if anything was changing.the river is finally getting better after a long fight with the state. Waaaayullll, Gaaawwwllleee! You managed that all by yourself? I'll be ever so sure to contact the James River Association, the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, the Chesapeake Bay Commission, the Riverkeepers on every one of those rivers, the shellfish lobby and fisherman's groups, Trout Unlimited, and all the other lobby groups just to let them know they didn't do schit on that and that the EPA mandates on river water quality requirements were not needed. Why, you did that all by yourself against the "evil" VDGIF (who had no say in it), and VA DEQ that remarkably lied in those meetings and yet supported your line position in other meetings and hearings. Of course, not one damned bit of this fantasy has anything to do with any of your previously held positions on hunting on this thread (that have been debunked), or much of anything else either.
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Yep. Stupidly, I posted facts, figures, and basic math in relation to license fees, herd numbers, management, and most other points.
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