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So I have been doing some reading, and they describe the water as high in arsenic and lead. The contaminated water was stored in an old abandon mine until the EPA stooges released it.
My question is what created that orange poisonous water? Is it natural or something the mining process created?
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Without many details on the mining operation, it was probably a combination of both...
Mine moved rock to a waste pile and left it open to the environment...oxygen and water can do amazing things subsequent to that...
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Then throw in ions in an acidic solution mixing with a stream/river and the water chemistry can really yield some interesting results.
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So I have been doing some reading, and they describe the water as high in arsenic and lead. The contaminated water was stored in an old abandon mine until the EPA stooges released it.
My question is what created that orange poisonous water? Is it natural or something the mining process created? Iron Oxide and lead.
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So I have been doing some reading, and they describe the water as high in arsenic and lead. The contaminated water was stored in an old abandon mine until the EPA stooges released it.
My question is what created that orange poisonous water? Is it natural or something the mining process created? Iron Oxide and lead. Most likely won't be pure lead...some complex of it.
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Mine run-off is never a good thing. When I was a kid, the Ompompanoosuc River in Vermont was dead due to the run-off from an abandoned copper mine. The Animus River northeast of Silverton was already dead because of mine run-off, but the Animus south of Silverton was beautiful fly fishing water. I wonder how long it will take for it to recover?
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When underground water runs through a mine, it picks up traces of the minerals that are buried there, explains Colorado Public Radio station KUNC. When it mixes with mineral pyrite, it reacts with air to form sulfuric acid and dissolved iron. It also picks up other heavy metals, like copper and lead, as well as any of the chemicals that miners have been using to extract the resources. By the time it trickles out of the mountain and into nearby waterways, it’s an acidic, often-toxic brew.
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So I have been doing some reading, and they describe the water as high in arsenic and lead. The contaminated water was stored in an old abandon mine until the EPA stooges released it.
My question is what created that orange poisonous water? Is it natural or something the mining process created? Iron Oxide and lead. What creates the iron oxide, lead and arsenic above normal levels?
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When underground water runs through a mine, it picks up traces of the minerals that are buried there, explains Colorado Public Radio station KUNC. When it mixes with mineral pyrite, it reacts with air to form sulfuric acid and dissolved iron. It also picks up other heavy metals, like copper and lead, as well as any of the chemicals that miners have been using to extract the resources. By the time it trickles out of the mountain and into nearby waterways, it’s an acidic, often-toxic brew. Thanks.
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The EPA caused this mess, even if accidental. If a private company had done this they would be fined millions of $$$ at best, or completely shut down at worst. What will be the EPA punishment be?
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The EPA caused this mess, even if accidental. If a private company had done this they would be fined millions of $$$ at best, or completely shut down at worst. What will be the EPA punishment be? Nuttin.
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The EPA caused this mess, even if accidental. If a private company had done this they would be fined millions of $$$ at best, or completely shut down at worst. What will be the EPA punishment be? Nuttin. yup! nuttin , at all! ked
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So I have been doing some reading, and they describe the water as high in arsenic and lead. The contaminated water was stored in an old abandon mine until the EPA stooges released it.
My question is what created that orange poisonous water? Is it natural or something the mining process created? Iron Oxide and lead. What creates the iron oxide, lead and arsenic above normal levels? Why don't you quit bothering John, and go read the EXCELLENT material he put up days ago. To BUSY ? GTC
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What creates the iron oxide, lead and arsenic above normal levels? A real student of ground waters and chemistry here. Meygan Kelley might be a better source of information, digestable at your level. GTC
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This may help ya understand, as this is an old problem in Colorado: Washington PostI actually worked this area surveying core holes drilled looking for gold back in the 80s and ate lunch in Silverton every day for months. They intended to truck/cart away whole mountains if gold was found during the drilling and I panned and spelunked in creeks and mines between Lake City and Silverton every chance I got...
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Don't you know the EPA has already said that there has been no damage to the wildlife!!!
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This may help ya understand, as this is an old problem in Colorado: Washington PostI actually worked this area surveying core holes drilled looking for gold back in the 80s and ate lunch in Silverton every day for months. They intended to truck/cart away whole mountains if gold was found during the drilling and I panned and spelunked in creeks and mines between Lake City and Silverton every chance I got... It's an old problem, but common sense says you don't mess around with heavy equipment around a mine plug holding back millions of gallons of toxic waste without a containment plan. Seriously. With every rainfall, more waste gets flushed out of the mine and they've done nothing to plug it back up.
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The EPA should do the "honorable" thing and fine themselves out of existence (that is what they would do to a private entity, right?). But Barry would just change the letters and create a new, equally idiotic, agency to manage/protect the environment, then transfer the existing so-called leaders and staff to the "new, improved" agency . . . In other words, nothing will/would change.
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you don't mess around with heavy equipment around a mine plug holding back millions of gallons of toxic waste without a containment plan. Indeed,....and the photo that's circulating shows a half azzed bulkhead style cofferdam / abutment built of rotten timber collapsed. My guess ....? They've been dumping fill into that thing from ABOVE forever (gotta' keep that yellow boy outta' sight, ya' know) When the damned thing collapsed, the aggregate / bentonite plug was hydraulically fired out. Does anybody reading this thread SERIOUSLY believe that there was any skilled or well trained supervision on site when this took place ? GTC
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