|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,730
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,730 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 32,044
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 32,044 |
Al Gore invented the 270 Win
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 23,101
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 23,101 |
Actually, Mr. Peabody invented it to create all the drama on the Campfire concerning it, and then he and his Boy Sherman hopped in the Wayback machine and deposited the idea on the desk of Ed Pugsley, CEO of Winchester at the time...
It has now come full circle, as it were.
Last edited by gnoahhh; 08/24/15.
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 269
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 269 |
Mule Deer,
You say the origins of the Model 54 are that developmental work was done as early as 1912, interrupted by the war and finally brought out after?
I remember (barely) reading an article probably 20 years ago which claimed Winchester had plans 1919-20 to bring out a sporter based upon the 1917 action, but were beaten to the punch by Remington with their Model 30. Was that proto-54 then resurrected to compete with the Model 30?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,138 Likes: 10
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,138 Likes: 10 |
That would be my guess, but after the war it was obvious bolt actions would play a big role in big game hunting in America. Several companies had already moved with 'em, including Savage with the 1920.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 32,206
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 32,206 |
That would be my guess, but after the war it was obvious bolt actions would play a big role in big game hunting in America. Several companies had already moved with 'em, including Savage with the 1920. You gotta wonder what Savage's place in bolt action history would have been if they had marketed a long action 1920 in 256 Newton, 7x57, 30-06, and ??? at the same time as the short action 1920 in 250-3000 and 300 Savage.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,364
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,364 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston. I heard that he also shot a Mesican 7x57 reamed out to 7mm-'03
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,509
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,509 |
It is not well known, but on the eight day, after having a day off to fully consider all possible options, God created the 270 Winchester.
“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,219 |
And here I thought it was the founding fathers.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,364
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,364 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston. I heard that he also shot a Mesican 7x57 reamed out to 7mm-'03 Correction - the 6.7x63 Uber Neuber was based on the 6.8x57 Chinese MauserNo idea what twist these metrics used.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,828
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 5,828 |
I have read so many different accounts on how the 270 Winchester came into being, that it gets all very muddled. Till I pared down my collection some years back, I had 6 rifles so chambered- I had also planed on selling a 7mm RM barrel that came on an R-93 I bought but it shot so well I just kept it! The bottom line is that the 270 is one of the best things ever to come out of Winchester period! And in 2015 its a way better cartridge that it was when introduced in 1925 or when JOC started writing about it in the late 1930's and in the post WW-II years. Its a good balanced flat shooting cartridge that will handle most of the world big game with out a hitch, the only requirement is being able to shoot. There is so much over lap between .257 cal to .338 cal that it really makes no real difference on what the bullet launcher is, stick a good bullet in the right spot and make sure you have a sharp knife!
"Any idiot can face a crisis,it's the day-to-day living that wears you out."
Anton Chekhov
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,761
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,761 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston. I heard that he also shot a Mesican 7x57 reamed out to 7mm-'03 Jack o'Conner also has a 275 H&H built and Western made the ammo. Mos have never heard of the 275 H&H. Basically a belted 280 rem in velocity. Doc
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 754 |
The 6.7mm X 63mm is precisely the same cartridge as the .270 Winchester. Invented by an Austrian company Neuber and Sohn in 1911.
"A person that carries a cat home by the tail will receive information that will always be useful to him." Mark Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 45,179 Likes: 17
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 45,179 Likes: 17 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston. Steve, your spelling is impeccable! I live near Lewiston and have probably seen your souse around one of the local watering wholes! I'd also be willing to bet plenty of the information provided on this 'fire is supplied by reliable souses. I hear the news media relies upon them also. Thanks for your wonderful comments sir. And for helping to keep the grand old cartridge of the Empire alive. Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
member of the cabal of dysfunctional squirrels?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,340
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,340 |
THIS guy invented the .270... That guy looks like my cousin who is a Shriner and a drag queen.
Don't roll those bloodshot eyes at me.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,179 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,179 Likes: 1 |
When I was a young gunsmith in Kamloops B.C., A fellow brought in an old Model 54 to see about having it scoped. The rifle was in 270 Winchester and the serial number was No.21 marked in engraved script. I was reluctant to modify the rifle and gave the guy the address for Winchester records and told him to write for more info. He came back into the shop a couple months later with his letter which stated that he possessed the first 270 to leave the factory. The rifle had been sent to Ashley Haines, who was the gun writer for Outdoor Life and who lived in Salmon Arm, for evaluation. Turned out this guy's wife was a niece or great niece of Haines and he had ended up with the rifle. I like to think he donated to the Cody museum or something but probably not. GD
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,730
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 9,730 |
Actually, Jack O'Connor never shot a 270. He shot a 257 Roberts almost exclusively. I got this from a reliable souse in Lewiston. Steve, your spelling is impeccable! I live near Lewiston and have probably seen your souse around one of the local watering wholes! I'd also be willing to bet plenty of the information provided on this 'fire is supplied by reliable souses. I hear the news media relies upon them also. Thanks for your wonderful comments sir. And for helping to keep the grand old cartridge of the Empire alive. Geno You're welcome. Seriousity seems to be taken too seriously around here.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,575
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,575 |
I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world itself is vexing enough. -- Col. Stonehill
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,083
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 7,083 |
On behalf of Ingwe, Who cares?
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,719 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,719 Likes: 2 |
A better question would be, WHY? He didn't have anything else to do....because he didn't own a 30/06!!
Even birds know not to land downwind!
|
|
|
|
582 members (10gaugemag, 10Glocks, 1badf350, 1lesfox, 1936M71, 12344mag, 62 invisible),
2,489
guests, and
1,421
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,195
Posts18,485,034
Members73,966
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|