Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles RUGER rifles can't shoot worth spit!

What exactly do you need educating on here. It does not seem to be any secret that everyone posting on this thread knows that Howa makes the Vanguards. Nor did anyone say that they didn't shoot <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />---2MG

the vanguards sun moas are $700 and shoot under .75" or wong get the "sub-MOA" designation.
all ruger BBLs are CHF and its superior in that it is consistant and not prone to worn buttons. how often do you hear of steyrs, CZ, and rugers not shooting well because of the BBL?

Don't wanna get in a pissin' match, but I still don't think that makes it superior as the cost of a hammer forge to make the barrels will offset a ton of worn buttons, and I haven't seen many bench matches bein' won with hf barrels. No question that they're good, but not sure they're superior...

once the machine is paid for the prosses is less expensive as it is automated. 4 men make all the rifle BBLs at ruger.

It's hard to get an accurate feel of what factory rifles are capable of when you have to factor in average shooters, factory ammo and budget optics mounted by the average shooter. Another way of saying that most factory rifles will outshoot most shooters, but that doesn't mean that factory rifles are comparable to good tuned rifles.

Kinda like motorcylces. The "rice rockets" are capable of performance that most riders can't obtain. But put a good rider on a factory bike, and put a good rider on a race bike, and the factory bike will get spanked.

I've been very happy with Ruger factory rifles. Amazed no, but certainly happy.

Sorry to hear you're having such accuracy problems. Just to show how nice I am, I'll offer you a nice discounted price to take those off your hands. ;-)

I'm aware of what a "sub-moa" Vanguard is. I've owned California made Vanguards also, before they were makin' 'em in Japland. Guess what, they shoot every bit as good, same design. What you don't seem to know is that the majority of the Vanguards will shoot moa, and as far as I'm concerned, it's just a way of Weatherby milkin' a little more money out of those who buy into it. I would put money on it right now that if you took 10 SMOA's and ten "standard" models, it'd be a crapshoot as to which ones shot tighter groups. If you want to pay a couple hundred more bucks for that fancy floor plate, be my guest. If you want to believe hammer forged barrels are more accurate than button rifled or cut-rifled, go ahead, I won't stop you---2MG

Coyote,

Well done, but 600 yds is just barely long range...............

2muchgun,

There were never any Vanguards made in California. They have always been made in Japan.

I have never owned one, but you get more than a different floorplate with the sub moa rifle. Know a guy who has one, and the stock is considerably stiffer and better finished than the one that comes on the std Vanguard.

I agree with you on the accuracy of the std vs the sub moa rifle. I would be surprised if there is much difference. Without exception, every Vanguard I have owned has shot under an inch.

The triggers sure aren't much to write home about, though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Ted

Ted--I've had people tell me the same thing. I had Vanguard in 22-250 that is at least 20yrs old that does not say made in Japan on it anywhere. My friend still has it. All it says is "Weatherby...Alto Vista or Palo Alto or somethin", California". If it was made in Japan, it does not say so anywhere on it. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that the standard models routinely shoot moa and cost less money. Believe it or not, the most accurate Vanguard I've seen wears wooden attire. I used to take roofing nails and stick them in a big cardboard box and shoot until all the nails were knocked out of the box at 200 yds. It usually didn't take long.......2MG

I just looked at the Blue Book, and all it said was that Vanguards were made from the late sixties to early seventies. Then it had a separate category that said new model Vanguard, importation started in 1997. So I'm still not sure. Probably are all Jap made. Can anyone think of the name of the city in California I'm trying to remember, it's drivin' me crazy now!---2MG

"high-quality cast steel parts."


huh!

Coyote Hunter, I believe he is addressing you---2MG

Ruger also casts alomst every Ti golf club sold in the US -- they do it for all the major golf club mfgs as ruger and the Pine Tree Castings facility is recognized as the WORLD leader in casting technology.

As to cast objects being inferior - I think the VERY VERY low number of "blown up" Rugers out there is reason enough to put this old wives tale to bed. I haven't seen ANY but I am sure there is 1 possibly 2 out there that have blown up.

Ruger also offers their rifles in the big boomers such as 338 Lapua, 458 Win Mag and such - no change cept length. They can and do take a beating.

Guess that depends on who is doing the shooting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I think in my post I said I had never shot beyond 400 yards, but was thinking only of my local range. I�m a member of the NRA Whittington Center and the one time I shot there it was with my .45-70 and .375 Win Marlins. Was deadly on the rams at 500 once I got the elevation and windage figured correctly (+ 10 feet or so and far side of the adjacent ram), never figured out the 1000-meter buffalo thing. Was estimating a 30-foot hold-over for the buff but my wife never saw any dust. Later calculated the hold-over at 33 feet. (Maybe I was hitting it, but I REALLY doubt it! More likely not enough compensation for the wind and my bullets were landing off in the trees?)

At any rate, I always thought 400 was long (but very doable) for me, even with the bolt guns. This last trip to the range opened my eyes a bit more to what the rifles can do as well as to what I can do. The range is spending $6,000 to redo the range so that you can shoot 100 through 600 from one position instead of having to back up from the targets as we have to do now. Should be fun, and I will definitely spend more time at the longer ranges than I do now.

Maybe to the 1K yd benchrest crowd 600 yds isn't long range, but 600 yds to me is quite a stretch. That's good shooting Coyote. Well done!

I've tried to like the Remingtons. I know that they're quality and accurate, but they just feel peculiar to me. The Ruger 77's just fall in place like they've been fitted to me.

I'm on my third 77. I haven't gotten an inaccurate one yet. In fact, the little stainless/synthetic .223 example that I recently purchased is shaping up to be a very nicely accurate rifle.

i just love it when someone inflates themself by pushing thier standards on others.
so if i think 600 yards IS long im what, a novice?
people in the desert probably dont think 95 degrees is hot either. your reality may vary.

That Leonard Brownell stock design Ruger uses calls for me, it beckons me, to BUY!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Don

When I was a kid I read that mankind can only survive in a very narrow band of temperatures. At the time I thought about the people living north of the Artic Circle and in the various desert areas, and thought the statement was rather stupid. Only later did I realize the truth of that statement. Reality didn�t change, just my perception of it.

It�s the same thing with long range shooting. While 600 yards may be long for a particular individual � or even most of us � it is not particularly long in the greater scheme of things. The guys that shoot to 2500 yards, while they are relatively few, probably think 1000 yards is a chip shot. I�ve tried 1000 yards with my .45-70 and .375Win Marlins at the NRA Whittington Center. Didn�t hit the white buffalo as far as I know, but that didn�t change the fact that some people do so far more often than not. Yup, I was a novice. And still am. Pretty much a novice at 600, too.

I wouldn�t lose any sleep over someone saying �600 yds is just barely long range�.