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Regarding the thread topic, if the woman was following Spiritual Principles, she would simply have resigned with no fanfare.
Her actions are a classic case of the conflict between Religiosity and Spirituality. I hope that you run and are elected Sheriff, and a Federal Judge orders you to confiscate all "assault weapons" in your jurisdiction. The first reply to Judicial overreach is civil disobedience...not resignation.
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If you take their money, you do your job.
If the job violates your principles, you quit it.
It really is THAT simple.
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Gene - sometimes folks on here behave, and argue, as if their navel is the center of the universe. This seems particularly true of those who go to ridiculous extremes trying to bash Christians by citing and ridiculing "religion" (whatever that may be to them). Could it be that the simplicity and forthrightness of living a life of faith, according to certain values and principles, is beyond their ken?
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Gene - sometimes folks on here behave, and argue, as if their navel is the center of the universe. This seems particularly true of those who go to ridiculous extremes trying to bash Christians by citing and ridiculing "religion" (whatever that may be to them). Could it be that the simplicity and forthrightness of living a life of faith, according to certain values and principles, is beyond their ken? Just because someone doesn't share your values and principles, doesn't mean they do not live by values and principles.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Gene - sometimes folks on here behave, and argue, as if their navel is the center of the universe. This seems particularly true of those who go to ridiculous extremes trying to bash Christians by citing and ridiculing "religion" (whatever that may be to them). Could it be that the simplicity and forthrightness of living a life of faith, according to certain values and principles, is beyond their ken? Just because someone doesn't share your values and principles, doesn't mean they do not live by values and principles. That's true, of course. But what is their origin? Why are they so similar, even across cultural boundaries? Most people think they have an inborn sense of right and wrong.This is the most prevalent evidence of a Supernatural Force which seems to be interested in our behavior. The whole notion that it comes from "enlightened self interest" is one of the more ridiculous mental contortions atheists come up with to explain away any hint of any dimension other than the physical. "Abandonment of Self" is what's printed on the ticket to the Spiritual Dimension. The intellect is the most prized possession of the Self, and it takes a tremendous exertion of the Will to surrender it. Most can't do it.
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If you take their money, you do your job.
If the job violates your principles, you quit it.
It really is THAT simple. I guess now would be a good time to throw the Civil Rights Act and all subsequent addendum out the door. Everyone should have just quit in the first place.
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Gene - sometimes folks on here behave, and argue, as if their navel is the center of the universe. This seems particularly true of those who go to ridiculous extremes trying to bash Christians by citing and ridiculing "religion" (whatever that may be to them). Could it be that the simplicity and forthrightness of living a life of faith, according to certain values and principles, is beyond their ken? Just because someone doesn't share your values and principles, doesn't mean they do not live by values and principles. That's true, of course. But what is their origin? Why are they so similar, even across cultural boundaries? Most people think they have an inborn sense of right and wrong.This is the most prevalent evidence of a Supernatural Force which seems to be interested in our behavior. You make a good point. The older apologist referred to what you describe (Supernatural Force) interested in out behavior as Natural Law. C.S. Lewis does a good job of making the case for Natural Law in his book Mere Christianity.
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Gene - sometimes folks on here behave, and argue, as if their navel is the center of the universe. This seems particularly true of those who go to ridiculous extremes trying to bash Christians by citing and ridiculing "religion" (whatever that may be to them). Could it be that the simplicity and forthrightness of living a life of faith, according to certain values and principles, is beyond their ken? Just because someone doesn't share your values and principles, doesn't mean they do not live by values and principles. That's true, of course. But what is their origin? Why are they so similar, even across cultural boundaries? Most people think they have an inborn sense of right and wrong.This is the most prevalent evidence of a Supernatural Force which seems to be interested in our behavior. The whole notion that it comes from "enlightened self interest" is one of the more ridiculous mental contortions atheists come up with to explain away any hint of any dimension other than the physical. "Abandonment of Self" is what's printed on the ticket to the Spiritual Dimension. The intellect is the most prized possession of the Self, and it takes a tremendous exertion of the Will to surrender it. Most can't do it. When Adam Smith wrote about the invisible hand, he was writing about Free Markets, not God. As for surrendering our facilities of reasoning and objective understanding as being some kind of moral good, that beyond absurd. I'm surprised to hear you promoting Democrats as morally superior.
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As for surrendering our facilities of reasoning and objective understanding as being some kind of moral good, that beyond absurd. I'm surprised to hear you promoting Democrats as morally superior.
The English - or spelling - or both - seem somewhat fractured there so, if at all interested, one has to assume some intent by AS. The previous writer seemed to be saying that, even when bashers of Christians and God do employ reasoning and what they think is objectivity - and even when they do operate on what they consider to be moral values/principles - they still seem to be missing something BIG. And that, in order to get to the BIG level, they have to move beyond ("abandon") utter and complete dependence on limited human reasoning and the ever-elusive human "proof". Seems to me that would take some trust - even maybe courage. Merely speculating - not my lot, as a human, to declare any such things.
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Adam Smith's invisible hand is a straw-man in the context of a reply to the post.
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As for surrendering our facilities of reasoning and objective understanding as being some kind of moral good, that beyond absurd. I'm surprised to hear you promoting Democrats as morally superior.
The English - or spelling - or both - seem somewhat fractured there so, if at all interested, one has to assume some intent by AS. The previous writer seemed to be saying that, even when bashers of Christians and God do employ reasoning and what they think is objectivity - and even when they do operate on what they consider to be moral values/principles - they still seem to be missing something BIG. And that, in order to get to the BIG level, they have to move beyond ("abandon") utter and complete dependence on limited human reasoning and the ever-elusive human "proof". Seems to me that would take some trust - even maybe courage. Merely speculating - not my lot, as a human, to declare any such things. Abandon your reason for faith, faith in a book written 2-3.5k years ago by primitive goat herders, who's solution to everything included either animal, or human sacrifice. Once again, you are also resorting to deceptive word game. I've never asked you for proof, just evidence, and you concede you have none to offer.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Hey, don't knock the goat herders. I'll be pit cooking a goat for Christmas.
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Regarding the thread topic, if the woman was following Spiritual Principles, she would simply have resigned with no fanfare.
Her actions are a classic case of the conflict between Religiosity and Spirituality. I hope that you run and are elected Sheriff, and a Federal Judge orders you to confiscate all "assault weapons" in your jurisdiction. The first reply to Judicial overreach is civil disobedience...not resignation. Gene's pegged it squarely. Of course, the clerk in question only has a problem with "spiritually derived laws" when it applies to gays getting a gov't license to marry so they can get .gov benefits regarding taxes, inheritances, insurances, etc., yet she has NO use for said spiritual laws when she's screwing around on husband #1, conceiving children out of wedlock against the marriage with #1 with eventual #3, then divorcing #1 while engaged in extramarital sex with #2; then continuing the affair with #3 while married to #2, until divorcing him for now #3... Such a devout, strict "Christian"... Except when it comes to her. Oh, and then there's the "I don't want to do my job, but I want to keep it and the pay and the benefits" part. What a "hero"...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Hey, don't knock the goat herders. I'll be pit cooking a goat for Christmas. GB, Don't get me wrong. I enjoy roasted goat. Just don't ask me to read the entrails to tell your fortune.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Regarding the thread topic, if the woman was following Spiritual Principles, she would simply have resigned with no fanfare.
Her actions are a classic case of the conflict between Religiosity and Spirituality. I hope that you run and are elected Sheriff, and a Federal Judge orders you to confiscate all "assault weapons" in your jurisdiction. The first reply to Judicial overreach is civil disobedience...not resignation. Gene's pegged it squarely. Of course, the clerk in question only has a problem with "spiritually derived laws" when it applies to gays getting a gov't license to marry so they can get .gov benefits regarding taxes, inheritances, insurances, etc., yet she has NO use for said spiritual laws when she's screwing around on husband #1, conceiving children out of wedlock against the marriage with #1 with eventual #3, then divorcing #1 while engaged in extramarital sex with #2; then continuing the affair with #3 while married to #2, until divorcing him for now #3... Such a devout, strict "Christian"... Except when it comes to her. Oh, and then there's the "I don't want to do my job, but I want to keep it and the pay and the benefits" part. What a "hero"... Wow! You've done quite an investigation. Can you get the goods on Hillery?
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"Abandon your reason for faith, faith in a book written 2-3.5k years ago by primitive goat herders, who's solution to everything included either animal, or human sacrifice.
Once again, you are also resorting to deceptive word game. I've never asked you for proof, just evidence, and you concede you have none to offer."
I can't believe you STILL keep introducing the Bible into the conversation.
You really have become a "One note Johnny".
Spiritual Principles are certainly not confined to the Bible, and, in fact, predate it.
And you know that.
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Regarding the thread topic, if the woman was following Spiritual Principles, she would simply have resigned with no fanfare.
Her actions are a classic case of the conflict between Religiosity and Spirituality. I hope that you run and are elected Sheriff, and a Federal Judge orders you to confiscate all "assault weapons" in your jurisdiction. The first reply to Judicial overreach is civil disobedience...not resignation. Gene's pegged it squarely. Of course, the clerk in question only has a problem with "spiritually derived laws" when it applies to gays getting a gov't license to marry so they can get .gov benefits regarding taxes, inheritances, insurances, etc., yet she has NO use for said spiritual laws when she's screwing around on husband #1, conceiving children out of wedlock against the marriage with #1 with eventual #3, then divorcing #1 while engaged in extramarital sex with #2; then continuing the affair with #3 while married to #2, until divorcing him for now #3... Such a devout, strict "Christian"... Except when it comes to her. Oh, and then there's the "I don't want to do my job, but I want to keep it and the pay and the benefits" part. What a "hero"... Wow! You've done quite an investigation. Can you get the goods on Hillery? The clerk's history is readily available to any that give a damn to look. She's a devout hypocrite; nothing more. Hitlery is a red herring, but hopefully that bitch burns soon, long, and eternally.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Regarding the thread topic, if the woman was following Spiritual Principles, she would simply have resigned with no fanfare.
Her actions are a classic case of the conflict between Religiosity and Spirituality. I hope that you run and are elected Sheriff, and a Federal Judge orders you to confiscate all "assault weapons" in your jurisdiction. The first reply to Judicial overreach is civil disobedience...not resignation. Gene's pegged it squarely. Of course, the clerk in question only has a problem with "spiritually derived laws" when it applies to gays getting a gov't license to marry so they can get .gov benefits regarding taxes, inheritances, insurances, etc., yet she has NO use for said spiritual laws when she's screwing around on husband #1, conceiving children out of wedlock against the marriage with #1 with eventual #3, then divorcing #1 while engaged in extramarital sex with #2; then continuing the affair with #3 while married to #2, until divorcing him for now #3... Such a devout, strict "Christian"... Except when it comes to her. Oh, and then there's the "I don't want to do my job, but I want to keep it and the pay and the benefits" part. What a "hero"... Wow! You've done quite an investigation. Can you get the goods on Hillery? The clerk's history is readily available to any that give a damn to look. She's a devout hypocrite; nothing more. Hitlery is a red herring, but hopefully that bitch burns soon, long, and eternally. Wonder where the information came from. Was it from her? I'm just wondering.
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Oh, and by the way, I would stand with her on the principle of judicial over reach even it she were an athiest.
This is not strickly a religious matter.
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Yes, her, in her public divorce filings and child support pleadings.
She's making a "religious" stand, only when it doesn't apply to her. Hypocrite, to put it mildly, and a thief to boot.
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