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Originally Posted by RickyD
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Snyper, NeBassman, nice posts. Just remember you're talking to angry old white guys who want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. The entire PP dustup has been manufactured by the antiabortion crowd. They have to lie about PP or they'd have nothing to say. It's disappointing to see a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination increase her polling numbers by lying. Very strange, but so is the Repulican base. They don't care about facts, or the Constitution, it's just a war on a woman's right to choose.
Finsh the sentence. That would be ....choose to murder their baby. That's no right. That's a nation dying a certain and horrible death.


Nope, it's a constitutionally protected right to choose. Mind your own uterus.


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Abortion is an ugly choice, a very ugly choice, but a choice none the less irregardless of the current legal status. With that said I am disheartened by the number of so called conservatives calling for big government intruding into peoples personal lives and deciding what is best for them.

IMO the best way champion both individual freedom and life is to reduce the number unintended pregnancies, it's that simple. Supporting fact based sex education with an abstinence message along with making access to affordable birth control would go a long ways in reducing the number of abortions in this country.


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Originally Posted by Paddler
Snyper, NeBassman, nice posts. Just remember you're talking to angry old white guys who want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. The entire PP dustup has been manufactured by the antiabortion crowd. They have to lie about PP or they'd have nothing to say. It's disappointing to see a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination increase her polling numbers by lying. Very strange, but so is the Repulican base. They don't care about facts, or the Constitution, it's just a war on a woman's right to choose.


No one is lying about Planned Murderhood! It is NOT about a "woman's" right. It is about the murderous killing of unborn BABIES. And let's forget about the fathers of those unborn babies, what about their rights to the child?

Those women choose to have sex and conceive babies! If they don't want children they don't have to have sex or unprotected sex.

It is a horrible soul that can know what abortion does to an unborn baby and not be totally disgusted by this heinous act. God will judge and hold all of those accountable if they don't repent and ask forgiveness!


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Originally Posted by NeBassman
Abortion is an ugly choice, a very ugly choice, but a choice none the less irregardless of the current legal status. With that said I am disheartened by the number of so called conservatives calling for big government intruding into peoples personal lives and deciding what is best for them.

IMO the best way champion both individual freedom and life is to reduce the number unintended pregnancies, it's that simple. Supporting fact based sex education with an abstinence message along with making access to affordable birth control would go a long ways in reducing the number of abortions in this country.


I completely disagree. Clearly, the overwhelming number of people (99%) having babies know EXACTLY how they are conceived! Pregnancy is their choice...killing babies shouldn't be their choice!


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I don't understand the selfish decision to kill her own baby rather than allow to live under someone else's roof.

Adoption, the third choice.


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Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel
Originally Posted by NeBassman
Abortion is an ugly choice, a very ugly choice, but a choice none the less irregardless of the current legal status. With that said I am disheartened by the number of so called conservatives calling for big government intruding into peoples personal lives and deciding what is best for them.

IMO the best way champion both individual freedom and life is to reduce the number unintended pregnancies, it's that simple. Supporting fact based sex education with an abstinence message along with making access to affordable birth control would go a long ways in reducing the number of abortions in this country.


I completely disagree. Clearly, the overwhelming number of people (99%) having babies know EXACTLY how they are conceived! Pregnancy is their choice...killing babies shouldn't be their choice!


Another vote for BIG government and a total lack of understanding of what has been adjudicated over the years, sigh... frown

Here is a good example of what we could do to reduce the number of abortions in this country.

Colorado’s Effort Against Teenage Pregnancies Is a Startling Success




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Originally Posted by Paddler
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Originally Posted by Paddler
Snyper, NeBassman, nice posts. Just remember you're talking to angry old white guys who want to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. The entire PP dustup has been manufactured by the antiabortion crowd. They have to lie about PP or they'd have nothing to say. It's disappointing to see a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination increase her polling numbers by lying. Very strange, but so is the Repulican base. They don't care about facts, or the Constitution, it's just a war on a woman's right to choose.
Finsh the sentence. That would be ....choose to murder their baby. That's no right. That's a nation dying a certain and horrible death.


Nope, it's a constitutionally protected right to choose. Mind your own uterus.
Show it to me in the Constitution. You can't. Hint: it's not in the Bill of Rights either.


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Originally Posted by RickyD
It's not a law. It's a decree by a supreme court that was out of control and not in a Constitutional position to legislate. It is null and void for any real American.

All the empty rhetoric won't change the fact it has the same effect as a law, and made abortions legal in all states.

Pretending it's "null and void" is only fooling yourself


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We have a long history of atrocious laws that made bad stuff legal. Way past time to correct this terrible wrong.


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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER

"It was not a miscarriage. Mothers don’t go to abortion clinics to miscarry,"

First of all, the only "proof" it was an "abortion clinic" is the word of an anti-abortion activist. No one really knows where it was.

Secondly, with abortions done that late, it's entirely possible for a miscarriage to occur during the dialation portion of the procedure.

Medical clinics perform lots of procedures and treatments, so pretending they did nothing but abortions is unrealistic, since you don't know where it was at all.


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Originally Posted by RickyD
Finsh the sentence. That would be ....choose to murder their baby. That's no right. That's a nation dying a certain and horrible death.

If you take an honest look at the demographics, they will either be aborted or end up on welfare and then be killed on the streets or end up in prison.

How many are you willing to adopt if you won't let the mothers choose? How many do you have now?


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Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel
I completely disagree. Clearly, the overwhelming number of people (99%) having babies know EXACTLY how they are conceived! Pregnancy is their choice...killing babies shouldn't be their choice!

Of course they "know how they conceived".
That's elementary biology.

But over half of unwanted prgnancies are from failure of the birth control method used. They didn't "choose" to get pregnant, but even if they did, it's none of your business.



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Originally Posted by Snyper
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Finsh the sentence. That would be ....choose to murder their baby. That's no right. That's a nation dying a certain and horrible death.

If you take an honest look at the demographics, they will either be aborted or end up on welfare and then be killed on the streets or end up in prison.

How many are you willing to adopt if you won't let the mothers choose? How many do you have now?


That way of thinking was really popular in Germany at one time.


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Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel
I completely disagree. Clearly, the overwhelming number of people (99%) having babies know EXACTLY how they are conceived! Pregnancy is their choice...killing babies shouldn't be their choice!

Of course they "know how they conceived".
That's elementary biology.

But over half of unwanted prgnancies are from failure of the birth control method used. They didn't "choose" to get pregnant, but even if they did, it's none of your business.



Prove the statement that has been bolded.

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Most recent information I could find.

http://www.arhp.org/publications-and-resources/contraception-journal/september-2008

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Among developed countries, the US record of family planning is uniquely deficient. Of 6.1 million pregnancies in 2001, half were unintended (as were more than 80% of the 800,000 annual teen pregnancies), resulting in 1.3 million abortions, 4 million births (of which one-third were unintended) and 800,000 miscarriages.3

As Frost et al.4 noted in a recent study published by the Guttmacher Institute: “Unintended pregnancy can force women and their families to confront difficult abortion decisions or the potentially negative consequences associated with unplanned childbearing—including child health and development issues, relationship instability, and compromises in education and employment that may exacerbate ongoing poverty.” This same study attributes 52% of unintended pregnancies in the USA to nonuse of contraception, 43% to inconsistent or incorrect use, and only 5% to method failure.4

Leading causes of unintended pregnancy are closely related to contraceptive method choice. In 2002, more than half of contraceptive users relied on methods with high failure rates under typical use: 31% used the pill, 18% the male condom and 5% the 3-month injectable.5 While with perfect use these methods are highly effective, 9% of pill users, 17% of condom users and 5% of injectable users will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.5,6 To make matters worse, about half of condom and injectable contraception users — and almost one-third of pill users — will discontinue within a year.6


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Originally Posted by mitchellmountain
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Finsh the sentence. That would be ....choose to murder their baby. That's no right. That's a nation dying a certain and horrible death.

If you take an honest look at the demographics, they will either be aborted or end up on welfare and then be killed on the streets or end up in prison.

How many are you willing to adopt if you won't let the mothers choose? How many do you have now?


That way of thinking was really popular in Germany at one time.

So lame Nazi comparisons is all you've got?
What I stated is reality.
It's mostly low income minority women who get abortions.


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Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by Dixie_Rebel
I completely disagree. Clearly, the overwhelming number of people (99%) having babies know EXACTLY how they are conceived! Pregnancy is their choice...killing babies shouldn't be their choice!

Of course they "know how they conceived".
That's elementary biology.
But over half of unwanted prgnancies are from failure of the birth control method used. They didn't "choose" to get pregnant, but even if they did, it's none of your business.


Prove the statement that has been bolded.


http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/11/report-shows-contraception-failure-54-used-before-abortion/
It's actually 54%

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