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Anyone know the length of the 180 Scenar?
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Think I kept a couple around for S&Gs.....standby.....
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No joy Sir.... Guessin I did send em all to Kurt...
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No joy Sir.... Guessin I did send em all to Kurt... Good answer here.
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I was curious what Berger's twisty deal was with a 1:9-1/4 at 2850, says 1.57. That plus a dollar will buy you a cup of joe.
Anyhooo.....the skullphuck continues. Won't be good for 162's in my house if these pigs work out.
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Shot some 180 VLDs through a pard's' factory 700-LR in 7 Remmie. We ran 67-71 grains of Retumbo and a WLRM. They clocked 2700-2900, stabalized just fine, and shot about 4" at 600. (at about 5000' ASL)
Thinking the Scenar will be fine in a Rem. factory twist... but weirder schitt has definitely happened.
I shot about a dozen of these loads... and they were a solid step up in the recoil department. Not obnoxious... but noticeably more than the 162s at 3k...
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Pretty much mirrors my experience with 180 Bergers over a stiff load of Ramshot Magnum for a mv of 2860. Factory Rem mag seemed to stablize them just fine to 1000. Picked up some 180 Scenars but have yet to load any up. Playing with a couple 6.5 in my limited time right now.
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Might be the 108, 123, and 180 Scenar Show from here on out.
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Lowcountry Wildlife Management Knowing Wildlife Beyond Science [email protected]Genesis 9;2
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Not entirely. It's also about SD. Two bullets with an equal form factor, but one is made of styrofoam, and the other lead and copper, will have very different BC values...
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Ya ok, you got me there lol. Or jacketed versus solid monolithic as well if ya want.
At any rate I have always relied on BC and knowing the bullets jacket thickness, construction etc.
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Yeah, as I read through the article (which was very good, BTW), the thing that kept jumping out at me was that he was neglecting to mention that form factors are universal across calibers and weights, as long as bullet construction is equal. If you start using different bullet materials, you're no longer comparing on common ground.
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Form factors are not uniform brother, each bullet of same weight with different design has a different form factor as compared to the standard which is a factor or "1"
Unless you are meaning to say that each model of the same weight bullet from the same MFG have the same form factor.
Or that each bullet of the same weight and caliber have the same SD?
So a 200 AB to another 200 AB should have the same form factor. But a 200 AB to a 200 LRX will likely not have the same factor.
SD= Grain/7000 / (caliber)^2
Form = SD/G7
So anywhere bullets of the same weight and caliber have a different G7 from one another, they will also have a different form factor.
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Sorry, should have clarified a bit better. I should have said "universally comparable" as an analytical tool. Meaning as long as bullet construction is equal, a lower form factor means a slipperier bullet, ignoring weight and caliber.
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I like the word slippery and agree..
Thats what I will call it from now on the Slippery Factor and not being sarcastic!
We just hijacked the bear thread to hell, sorry, truly a great bear.
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It was a thread about bear bullets so all good.
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Great thread! Interesting, too. 30338, congrats to your son. Looks like a nice bear back there.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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