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Notice the focus on the tips of the OTM types - the irregularities - that's a marketing deal. Does it really matter? I don't know - Looks can be deceiving... I think that anyone who shoots long - meat or paper - is looking for consistency. There are tools out there for metplat uniforming IIRC and at first blush - it looks like there's no way for it to be consistent. BUT I also suspect that it might have been a case where engineers were looking at the Doppler and not the target. Like watching a dial indicator on a lathe - it bounces all over the place and you'd think that whatever you have in there is completely out of round - then you remember that it's swinging 40% of the dial to show at 3 ten thousands bump (hyperole - you get the idea). I have a feeling the tip deal has more to do with making the doppler happy than it does affecting the target results. IMO - the thing here is the interlock and using them on game for people.
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I have a lifetime supply of Hornady bullets with defective melting tips in 3 calibers.
Great Rick, No problem. I hear they are planning on offering the new tips and a little tube of glue to anyone that has the old defective melting tips. You'll have to supply your own pliers, but it shouldn't take you more than 3 or 4 minutes per bullet to retrofit.... David
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I think that anyone who shoots long - meat or paper - is looking for consistency. There are tools out there for metplat uniforming IIRC and at first blush - it looks like there's no way for it to be consistent. In reference to Burger, the published BCs are from actual testing of said bullets with unmodified tips. While their values are an average the spread is very small. Litz did some experimenting with metplat trimming and bullet tipping and there were minor increases in published BCs. They shoot fine right out of the box.
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I have a lifetime supply of Hornady bullets with defective melting tips in 3 calibers.
Great Rick, No problem. I hear they are planning on offering the new tips and a little tube of glue to anyone that has the old defective melting tips. You'll have to supply your own pliers, but it shouldn't take you more than 3 or 4 minutes per bullet to retrofit.... David A gunsmith friend of mine used to tell me that there was a problem with the A-Max tips for quite some time. I thought he was full of it till now
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I'm starting to miss the good old days when I could hunt with CorLokts.
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I guess the real test would be:
Shoot 800 yards with an AMAX Shoot 800 yards with the new one
Compare drop/groups. That would be a fair way to determine if this is a distinction without a difference.....
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The 208 Amax gets a nice G1 BC boost from .648 up to .670.
Not bad if it's for real. Color me skeptical.
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IIRC you are kinda the 208/30-06 aficionado in these parts. What kinda speeds are you dealing with?
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With moly and RL22, 2800 fps in a 26" bbl, 2740 in a 22.5" bbl.
With moly and RL17, 2650 fps in a 22.5" bbl. 2600 fps in a 20" bbl.
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I'm cautiously optimistic. I used to shoot a lot of Amax but now only have them in .224 for practice and varmints. I've been using Berger's for competition and primarily Scenar's for hunting.
Hoping they are readily available at a reasonable price...
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I'm cautiously optimistic. I used to shoot a lot of Amax but now only have them in .224 for practice and varmints. I've been using Berger's for competition and primarily Scenar's for hunting.
Hoping they are readily available at a reasonable price... Mind if I ask why you swap between competition and hunting?
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Sure. I wouldn't say I'm swapping so much, as I have a sporter weight I use for hunting and a heavy gun for competition. I primarily shoot Scenar's in the sporter and Hybrids in the comp gun.
The Berger Hybrids shoot tighter for me, and are slicker, especially after I point them. The Scenars have always worked correctly on game, where the Hybrids have had some issues in a lot smaller sample size.
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I just can't believe they don't have a 6mm in the lineup. As popular as that bullet diameter is why wouldn't they have offered a 95-105 grain offering in the initial release? I would have loved to see some Stick testing with his BR Montucky.
I was happy to see the suggested retail price was still for 100 bullets though, and it wasn't outlandishly priced. George Gardner posted that there will be a 6mm in 2016.
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Sure. I wouldn't say I'm swapping so much, as I have a sporter weight I use for hunting and a heavy gun for competition. I primarily shoot Scenar's in the sporter and Hybrids in the comp gun.
The Berger Hybrids shoot tighter for me, and are slicker, especially after I point them. The Scenars have always worked correctly on game, where the Hybrids have had some issues in a lot smaller sample size. Thought that last part might be the case. Thanks for the info. Though a small sample size, I've been very pleased with on game results of the 139gr Scenar out of a 260. Can't see a reason to change right now.
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I'll give the 6.5, 143ga ELD-X a run alongside the 140gr AMax.
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I can't wait till guys start selling their AMAX stash.....I'll still shoot them...
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Midway has em all up for backorder, supposed to be in on 11/28/15 ! http://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=eld
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Powder Valley has them up for pre-order.
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I'll give the 6.5, 143ga ELD-X a run alongside the 140gr AMax. I plan to do the same but I'm happy with the Amax.
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Just noticed factory loads that are going to be available as well. Interesting.
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