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So, we still don't know what went down--just how it started and how it ended. Until someone fills in the blanks, it's just speculation for your own entertainment. That's every cop thread on the Campfire.Travis We do, however know how many Campfire members have swallowed the liberal, anti-cop, Obama philosophy though.... It plays out daily in the press and on capitol hill.
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Here's some interesting statistics. Traditionally, about 2/3 of all LEO's killed feloniously were in the South. In 2014, for the first time ever, the blue states are killing cops at a far greater pace. I guess Black Lives Matter is working. years with republican presidents, the average police caused fatalities is 361. years with democrat presidents, the average police caused fatalities is 381.
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Pat, those numbers must be wrong.
Given the outrage by many here, the deaths by the hands of the jack booted surely is larger.
Surely.
Shirley. How many of them really needed killing? good question. We should analyze each case. But it certainly doesn't appear to be the roughshod rampant police state we are led to believe.
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The only real difference is that the Government (Jurors) used to kill them too.
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I have had more than one incident of a wounded animal, and needing to put it down. 1. a deer, still alive, laying by a road. Being a new deputy at the time i knew legally only game and fish had authority to do that. So i called him out at 10pm at night. He said why didn't you shoot it? Went over what i was taught. He said next time just shoot it and call me and i will say i told you to do it.
A wounded black angus up on a trail, shot with an arrow. Pretty sure the mexicans camped below the trail did it. i got back in to cellphone range and called the sheriff's department. Told them about it and said it was still alive. He confirmed it belonged to the rancher i thought it did. Asked me why i didn't kill it. And i said i didn't have legal permission to do it. Answer was, that rancher would understand and don't worry about it. I don't know the whole story either. But i do know i would not have allowed a wounded bull to run around where there are rescue workers, just way too dangerous.
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Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that? Nowadays cops know they'll usually get a pass and some free time off with pay..
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Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that? Nowadays cops know they'll usually get a pass and some free time off with pay.. You suffer from premature ejaculating too, don't you?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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I like these anti cop threads/remarks. Mainly because i know the posters have never walked the walk. And had to fill the shoes. and edited to say they didn't have the nads to fill the shoes.
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I like when they post ignorant and stupid stuff like: Sure seems like cops are killing a lot more people than say 10-20 years ago. What up with that? Nowadays cops know they'll usually get a pass and some free time off with pay.. when someone else puts the stats a few posts before indicating that no such trend exists.
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You guys have to lighten up. You get to shoot us for any reason, including you showing up at the wrong f'g house, without concern for repercussions. The very least you can do is let us complain about it.
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The US population in 1976 was about 218 million and with with the cops killing 415 people. That comes to about 1 killed for every 525,000 people.
In 2011 the population was about 312 million with the cops only killing 393 people. That comes to about 1 killed for every 793,000 people.
Looks like to me the cops have some serious catching up to do if they want to live up to all the media hype.
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It probably went like this: "What, you aren't shooting my prize bull". "Sir, your bull is attacking people and is dangerous, we are going to have to put him down". As he raises his rifle to the deputies, "Over my dead body" and they obliged him. That's a lot of speculation. I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead. At this point, there's just no telling what happened. Maybe it was all accidental. I can't imagine too many rural Idahoans getting crazy at the sight of a gun-LE included. I'm amazed that all these folks who live in cattle country don't know that most ranchers are insured for loss of animals on open range to vehicle collision. I've handled many such claims over the years, probably over a hundred, and in every instance the scrawny dead animal was the rancher's prize bull or best calf producing heifer. They get paid well for the animal loss in most instances. Also, in many States livestock on open range have the right of way on roads and highways. I'm wondering whether the rancher surprised the cops on scene by shooting the injured bull, and they instinctively responded to the shot?? As many have stated, it's a sad situation for all involved.
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You guys have to lighten up. You get to shoot us for any reason, including you showing up at the wrong f'g house, without concern for repercussions. The very least you can do is let us complain about it. Surveyor's get to shoot you if we show up at the wrong house? And all this time I've simply been looking for encroachments....
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You guys have to lighten up. You get to shoot us for any reason, including you showing up at the wrong f'g house, without concern for repercussions. The very least you can do is let us complain about it. Surveyor's get to shoot you if we show up at the wrong house? And all this time I've simply been looking for encroachments.... I've had more guns pulled on me while surveying than I did as a cop.
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It probably went like this: "What, you aren't shooting my prize bull". "Sir, your bull is attacking people and is dangerous, we are going to have to put him down". As he raises his rifle to the deputies, "Over my dead body" and they obliged him. That's a lot of speculation. I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead. At this point, there's just no telling what happened. Maybe it was all accidental. I can't imagine too many rural Idahoans getting crazy at the sight of a gun-LE included. I'm amazed that all these folks who live in cattle country don't know that most ranchers are insured for loss of animals on open range to vehicle collision. I've handled many such claims over the years, probably over a hundred, and in every instance the scrawny dead animal was the rancher's prize bull or best calf producing heifer. They get paid well for the animal loss in most instances. Also, in many States livestock on open range have the right of way on roads and highways. I'm wondering whether the rancher surprised the cops on scene by shooting the injured bull, and they instinctively responded to the shot?? As many have stated, it's a sad situation for all involved. Bruce- Does that mean the rancher is not responsible for the damage caused by his stock in a vehicle collision?
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It probably went like this: "What, you aren't shooting my prize bull". "Sir, your bull is attacking people and is dangerous, we are going to have to put him down". As he raises his rifle to the deputies, "Over my dead body" and they obliged him. That's a lot of speculation. I've lived in cattle country almost all my life and have put animals down myself. I can't imagine very many ranchers thinking twice about putting a "prize bull" down that was hurting folks. He'd have to be quite the [bleep]. And to do a little speculating of my own, his wife probably wouldn't be surprised into a heart attack if the old clown showed up dead and he'd been that much of an [bleep]. She'd more than likely fall over and break a hip from dancing a jig that the [bleep] was dead. At this point, there's just no telling what happened. Maybe it was all accidental. I can't imagine too many rural Idahoans getting crazy at the sight of a gun-LE included. I'm amazed that all these folks who live in cattle country don't know that most ranchers are insured for loss of animals on open range to vehicle collision. I've handled many such claims over the years, probably over a hundred, and in every instance the scrawny dead animal was the rancher's prize bull or best calf producing heifer. They get paid well for the animal loss in most instances. Also, in many States livestock on open range have the right of way on roads and highways. I'm wondering whether the rancher surprised the cops on scene by shooting the injured bull, and they instinctively responded to the shot?? As many have stated, it's a sad situation for all involved. Bruce- Does that mean the rancher is not responsible for the damage caused by his stock in a vehicle collision? From my understanding, in an open-range area, that is correct.
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[ Bruce- Does that mean the rancher is not responsible for the damage caused by his stock in a vehicle collision? Some states are "open range" which means animals have the right of way, and if you don't want them on your property, it's up to you to keep them off. Most states are the opposite, where the owner is responsible for keeping them contained
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Not if it's open range, no. The person who hit the livestock is responsible for damages. BUT...if the animal escaped private land from a private fence the livestock owner is responsible. Now you know why rural NV is called the "cow-counties".
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That's exactly what it means. Matter of fact....in some area's the vehicle's owner is actually liable for damages. When I worked on some company housing for the copper mine in BagDad AZ back in the 70's all the local's joked that the area "ranchers" made ten times the value of a scraggly old range cow when one got hit by a truck belonging to the contractor that hauled the concentrate than they ever could have at auction. Seems every cow they owned was a prize breeder....including the steers.
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Pile into a black cow, at night, and be stuck for damages! That'd suck.
I'd be keeping my mouth shut and splitting a side of beef with the tow truck driver.
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